Seeing a friends Hole Cards
If you were playing a game (SnG, Ring Game, etc.) and the player to you right is your friend. During play you notice that when they look at their hole cards you can see them. Do you tell them?
If so when do you tell them?
Do you use this information to your advantage and then go on to crush them in the game? Or do you keep letting them play the way they play and always try and get a seat beside them?
If so when do you tell them?
Do you use this information to your advantage and then go on to crush them in the game? Or do you keep letting them play the way they play and always try and get a seat beside them?
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It is an interesting topic and I would love to hear from players who play alot of live poker on how much this actually happens. Â I'll bet alot!
I have played poker in a casino only once. Â It was 1-2 NL at Niagara on a Saturday afternoon and I got a real vibe that I was not the only Noob there. Â I sat at a newly opened table with 10 other players and from the first hand the guy on my right was showing me his cards. Â In 2 hours I saw his cards on 90% of the hands! Â My gut reaction was that he should be more carefull and I would use the information as I saw fit. Â When he left the table I told everyone else what had been going on and no one said that I should have told him! Â Since then I have read several times on the net that the right play is to tell the player.
My question:
Why can I use some guys pulsating jugular or quaking hands against him but not penalize him for being reckless with his hole cards?
BTW at this same table the dealer mucked my winning hand in a heads up showdown. Â I loudly said, "Hey those are live!" Â He proceeded to turn them over, show everyone my winning hand and then tell me, "Too bad buddy, I mucked them and they are dead." Â I asked the player for the pot (can't blame me for trying), and he said no way. Â The dealer made the right call. Â The player made the right call as well. Â I should have better protected my hand!
Caddy
I agree with Joe, unless the person showing their cards is an a-hole. Then I don't bother giving the warning.
Aw Greg - I'd always tell you after you bust out.
Seeing someones hole cards gives the person seeing them an advantage, and it also "injures the rights of the other players". This is why I would initially point it out, for the good of everyone in the game. However, I also believe each player is responsible for protecting their own rights. After I have made public the fact that the cards are being exposed, I believe my obligation to the game and other players has been satisfied, so I am now in the mode of protecting my own rights. Seeing those cards doesn't hurt me but someone else seeing them puts me at a disadvantage.
I fulfill (what I consider) my ethical responsibility after I first make the table aware of the situation, and after that I'm not going to continue to worry about it or complain if it isn't injuring me.
I'll take that as a compliment
If it's a friend, advise him.....strangers, its they're bad....if there gonna play holdem, they gotta know how to protect they're hole cards.
I was only talking about if it was your "friend's" cards. If it's some loud mouth asshole or some old hag like that, then by all means stare as much as you want at their cards.
Cheating implies breaking a rule. Id call it more or less bad table manners or ethics. But its officically not considered cheating. I dont know about other card rooms but at windsor it is a rule that you may not pick up your cards from the table. Usually this is the only way to see another players whole cards. so in fact the old woman was cheating. either way i felt bad seeing but after her little outburst i felt alot better about looking. lol
I've wondered about that too....sometime I think when people are dealing the cards are being held a little too high and I think there is potential that some one can see them coming out of the deck.
Sorry...but there is no way I'm laying down pocket rockets that I have waited 220 hands to get because some donk doesn't know enough to protect his hand. Karma be damned.
This thread seems to have mutated into, "should you or should you not cheat?" and it really started out as more or question of etiquette.
First of all...Cheaters suck! And if I caught you cheating in my game (marking cards, or a card mechanic, or working as a team) I will beat your ass unless you are a big MF then I'll just tell on youÂ
That being said, playing a hand out after seeing someone's hole cards is not cheating!
I find it funny that this thread has gotten some people so riled. After all you are a bunch of degenerate gamblers!!
Caddy
P.S. Protect your damn cards
Cheating is cheating, and marked cards and those who professionally practise using mechanics SHOULD be busted up badly, but when it was geniune error on the part of another player, which may or may NOT give you an advantage, when do your obligations to fair game come into play?
A group of us play pretty regularly on Thursday nights and I respect a lot of the players and I would tell them that the way they are holding their cards allows me (and then others) to see their hole cards. Of course I would first use that information to beat them and then let them know after the game but that's poker.
Here's another......if you picked up a tell from a friend (something you see them do all the time) would you tell them?
Again the real question is the person you are getting the information from is a friend. If it was some jack ass in the casino then we would all use that information to go and bust them.