Proof That Online Poker Is Not Rigged (Bad Beats Within)
A few years back, before I had alot of live hands under my belt, I would sometimes question the integrity of online poker.
If you don't want to read my bad beats, these are all bad beats, close this window now.
Ok, you've been warned twice, so here goes.
As a service to all of you in the position of questioning the deal in online poker, here are some hands from a live session last night. Limit is irrelevant. Location is irrelevant. At all times the table is 6-8 handed, which is relevant as made hands should hold up more with less players. I will not post the details, but suffice it to say that I play very aggressively at a short table and bet, raised and reraised where appropriate.
1. We are 6 handed, I open raise from cutoff with Q7s, button and BB call. Flop is Q73 rainbow and I lose to 72... to a flush.
2. Me K5 diamonds, other guy (ok, it was Johnny T -- now, this is the Johnny T I remember) A9 diamonds. Flop 562 with one diamond, I lose to the nut flush after having 3 bets called cold on the flop.
3. HU in the blinds. My BB is raised and I call with JTo. Flop 45J rainbow, flop 4 bet (no cap HU), turn 6, river 7. I lose to 67o.
4. Now this was the last one, and the worst. We are 5 handed at this point. I open raise A8s in diamonds. 2 callers. Flop 823 with 2 diamonds and the 8 clubs. Button calls 2 bets cold and I lose to a flush, T7clubs.
Trust me, there were more.
On the upside, there is 0% interest and no service fee on my money while these guys hold it for me.
So, care to post your online bad beats?
If you don't want to read my bad beats, these are all bad beats, close this window now.
Ok, you've been warned twice, so here goes.
As a service to all of you in the position of questioning the deal in online poker, here are some hands from a live session last night. Limit is irrelevant. Location is irrelevant. At all times the table is 6-8 handed, which is relevant as made hands should hold up more with less players. I will not post the details, but suffice it to say that I play very aggressively at a short table and bet, raised and reraised where appropriate.
1. We are 6 handed, I open raise from cutoff with Q7s, button and BB call. Flop is Q73 rainbow and I lose to 72... to a flush.
2. Me K5 diamonds, other guy (ok, it was Johnny T -- now, this is the Johnny T I remember) A9 diamonds. Flop 562 with one diamond, I lose to the nut flush after having 3 bets called cold on the flop.
3. HU in the blinds. My BB is raised and I call with JTo. Flop 45J rainbow, flop 4 bet (no cap HU), turn 6, river 7. I lose to 67o.
4. Now this was the last one, and the worst. We are 5 handed at this point. I open raise A8s in diamonds. 2 callers. Flop 823 with 2 diamonds and the 8 clubs. Button calls 2 bets cold and I lose to a flush, T7clubs.
Trust me, there were more.
On the upside, there is 0% interest and no service fee on my money while these guys hold it for me.
So, care to post your online bad beats?
Comments
22, flop 26k rainbow...lose to a bike...
woot!
A9 seems to me to be favored preflop with at least 6 + 1.5 outs after the flop and 15 outs on the turn. If A9 had lost, that might be a bad beat..In your other examples you were favored pre-flop and only lost on the river. In this you had a "lucky" flop.
Omega
Before any one else post it.......
YAWN......
My co-workers and get into this discussion often, what is a bad beat?......is a bad beat going in pre-flop with the worst hand, hitting the flop (giving you the best hand at the moment) but then losing on the river or going in pre-flop with the best hand and getting beat on the end?
Example If the SB has 22 and the BB has kk both players just put in the blinds.
Flop has 2 7 J rainbow. If the SB goes all in and gets called and then loses on the turn or river it is a bad beat.
However if they both were to go all in pre-flop and then the above occurrs, or they both check and then they both go all in once a k turns up it is just a tough loss.
very unfortunate for you...but bad beat, not a chance.
1-table sit n' go
I move all-in preflop aggressively against a large stack (he's passive and cautious). I'm just under average stack size but I have more than what I started with, and I needed the blinds here. Regardless, I have ATc he has 88.
Flop: KcQhJc ( I have nut straight with a royal flush draw )
Turn: 8
River: 8
He was 2% to win on the flop, but 20% on the river.
I think he was almost 100% on the river
PokerStars Game #5561179523: Tournament #27707516, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/14 - 21:54:28 (ET)
Table '27707516 44' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: allitta (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Homerbuddy (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: SRBMS1115 (2340 in chips)
Seat 4: mike021880 (1690 in chips)
Seat 5: nateofdeath (350 in chips)
Seat 6: allin3421 (2940 in chips)
Seat 7: cokemancoke (1440 in chips)
Seat 8: TableCrasher (1430 in chips)
Seat 9: jhdvs (1430 in chips)
jhdvs: posts small blind 10
allitta: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Homerbuddy [Ac Ad]
Homerbuddy: raises 60 to 80
SRBMS1115: folds
mike021880: calls 80
nateofdeath: raises 270 to 350 and is all-in
allin3421: calls 350
cokemancoke: folds
TableCrasher: folds
jhdvs: folds
allitta: folds
Homerbuddy: raises 1110 to 1460 and is all-in
mike021880: folds
allin3421: calls 1110
*** FLOP *** [Qh 9d 5s]
*** TURN *** [Qh 9d 5s] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 9d 5s 4s] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Homerbuddy: shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
allin3421: shows [9h 9s] (a full house, Nines full of Queens)
allin3421 collected 2220 from side pot
nateofdeath: shows [Ah Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
nateofdeath is sitting out
allin3421 collected 1160 from main pot
BARTENDER10_ is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3380 Main pot 1160. Side pot 2220. | Rake 0
Board [Qh 9d 5s 4s Qs]
Seat 1: allitta (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Homerbuddy showed [Ac Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: SRBMS1115 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mike021880 folded before Flop
Seat 5: nateofdeath showed [Ah Qd] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: allin3421 showed [9h 9s] and won (3380) with a full house, Nines full of Queens
Seat 7: cokemancoke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TableCrasher (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jhdvs (small blind) folded before Flop
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Preflop. EP raises (he's on tilt), two callers and Button re-raises, EP caps and four of them see the flop. Flop is TTT. EP bets, call, call, button raises, EP re-raises, fold, fold, Button calls. Turn is a king. EP bets, Button thinking he hit the jackpot raises -- yes he has KK, and they go something like five bets before the EP slows down and has one final BB in front of him.
River is a T. EP bets and Button makes a crying call. EP turns over A5o. Button leaves asking directions for the nearest bridge.
Cheers
Magi
/g2
If you use that definition and the way you describe it, almost any hand could be a bad beat if you look at it at the right time (after the flop in your hand's case).
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