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  • all_aces wrote:
    If you have to double-check that you're in a "regular" SNG instead of a Turbo because 2 players are gone in the first 5 minutes, you're in a good game.

    I was playing live last night and first hand there was a 4 way all in for a $20 SNG. It's not just on line. Mind you it was after the flop and 2 people had sets with the other on the nut flush and one on the nut straight draw. All with 1K in chips and 10/20 blinds.....
  • BBC Z wrote:
    I think the bet - 3 raise cap is the greatest travesty in online limit poker.

    Heads-up, or multiway?  I assume you mean HU, and I completely agree.
    AcidJoe wrote:
    all_aces wrote:
    If you have to double-check that you're in a "regular" SNG instead of a Turbo because 2 players are gone in the first 5 minutes, you're in a good game.

    I was playing live last night and first hand there was a 4 way all in for a $20 SNG. It's not just on line. Mind you it was after the flop and 2 people had sets with the other on the nut flush and one on the nut straight draw. All with 1K in chips and 10/20 blinds.....

    What a setup.  Ouch.  Yes, when monster hands collide, ugly things can happen regardless of what the blinds are.  That being said, I see some people go broke early in these $500 SNG's with top pair, weak kicker.

    I just checked PokerProphecy to see how things are coming along... they seem to be at least a couple of days behind, but here's the latest:

    $530 Table: 13 wins / 11 losses / 54.17% wins

    Sweet.  From my extremely small sample size, I can now conclude that these games are beatable, that I should quit my jobs, and just play $500 SNG's full-time.

    Some people do that.  Some players talk about playing 30/day and collecting an average of 3K for a day's work.  Do I believe them?  Some of their stats seem to support that, but I imagine there's some exaggeration happening, as well.

    The $50/$100 LHE games are either extremely soft, or I've been extremely lucky for a while now.  Maybe both.  Probably both. 
  • one thing i liked about the crypto sites, no cap HU...but also no game selection over 5 10 :D
  • Somehow I had never heard of poker prophecy before -- definitely looks like it would be worth the $40 if only they covered the 6max sngs

    Devin, is it just a one-time $40 fee? Pretty cool.
  • PokerProphecy seems like a good way to keep track of your opponents (and yourself) on Party for SNG's. I don't think their Stars stats are 100% though. I prefer thepokerdb for Stars.

    I only use their free samples. For some reason, on my home computer, it's not recognizing that I've done many many more than the allotted 5 "trial" searches. On other computers, it won't let me have any more freebies.
  • pokerdb for sngs???

    i assume you know of the party version as well
  • I'm currently multi-tabling 50/100 and playing a $500 SNG. I figured in between hands I'd check all of my opponents in the SNG on PokerProphecy... write in their sample size and percentages.

    Some surprising stats on my opponents... most of whom I've never seen. Stuff like: sample size 2, ITM 0%. Sample size 15, ITM 20%. I like my table. Of course, I came across a 140/40%, so that ain't cool.

    Anyway, a pop-up appeared in Party's main lobby. It wouldn't let me copy it, so I'm paraphrasing:

    Our software has detected that you are running a program that gives you an unfair advantage over the other players. Please be advised that this strictly violates our user terms and conditions.

    Please close the program immediately, and refrain from using it in the future. If you do not stop using this program, we will be forced to close your account, and confiscate all funds.


    Who knew? Not me, that's for sure. And since I don't feel like giving 13K to Party, I closed PokerProphecy.

    The lesson: don't use PokerProphecy (and programs like it) while you're PLAYING on Party. The scary part is that they knew I was using it. I've been told that if you read all of the fine print in their terms and conditions, you will find that you have actually given them consent to take random screenshots of your computer. Yes, that's right, they can see everything you have up on your screen at any time... banking information... porn... PokerProphecy...

    On a completely different note, watch somebody grossly overplay AQ:

    #Game No : 4265046844
    ***** Hand History for Game 4265046844 *****
    $50/$100 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 14, 03:18:41 ET 2006
    Table Kingfisher (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 4: oconnorwins ( $4305.25 )
    Seat 6: IcebergSpoon ( $2044.50 )
    Seat 7: young_lucky ( $3989.75 )
    Seat 8: monkey38 ( $3859 )
    Seat 10: terrablue ( $2186.75 )
    Seat 2: Aces_All ( $2218 )
    Seat 1: MTGPOKERdtcm ( $2685.50 )
    Seat 5: design26 ( $2170 )
    Seat 3: smithjbb ( $1895 )
    Seat 9: FEEDMEDONK ( $2500 )
    young_lucky posts small blind [$25].
    FEEDMEDONK posts big blind [$50].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Aces_All [ 3h 3s ]
    terrablue folds.
    MTGPOKERdtcm folds.
    Aces_All calls [$50].
    smithjbb folds.
    oconnorwins folds.
    design26 raises [$100].
    IcebergSpoon folds.
    young_lucky folds.
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    FEEDMEDONK calls [$50].
    Aces_All calls [$50].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Qh, 3d ]
    FEEDMEDONK checks.
    Aces_All checks.
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    design26 bets [$50].
    FEEDMEDONK raises [$100].
    Aces_All calls [$100].
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    design26 raises [$100].
    FEEDMEDONK calls [$50].
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    Aces_All calls [$50].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
    FEEDMEDONK checks.
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    Aces_All checks.
    >You have options at Love Shack Table!.
    design26 bets [$100].
    FEEDMEDONK calls [$100].
    Aces_All raises [$200].
    design26 raises [$200].
    FEEDMEDONK folds.
    Aces_All raises [$200].
    design26 calls [$100].
    ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
    Aces_All bets [$100].
    >You have options at Speed #1238240 Table!.
    design26 raises [$200].
    Aces_All calls [$100].
    design26 shows [ As, Qd ] two pairs, aces and queens.
    Aces_All shows [ 3h, 3s ] three of a kind, threes.
    Aces_All wins $2070 from the main pot with three of a kind, threes.
  • That;s interesting. In the Poker Prophecy FAQs it states that their software is completely undetectable by Party...I would email PProphecy and ask them about this.
  • If Party is indeed taking screenshots, then NOTHING is undetectable.

    I should be clear about the fact that I didn't feel like I was trying to "get away with" anything.  I had no idea that using PokerProphecy was against the rules.  It just tells you how many SNG's your opponents have played, and how often they are in the money.  Does this mean that programs like pokertracker are forbidden at Party as well?  And, I'm curious as to why Party would have a problem with them.

    I just might email PokerProphecy about this.  If I am considering purchasing their product I want to make sure I can use it.
  • I'd like to hear their response as I was checking it out today as well as would consider the purchase once the 6max sngs are added.

    Wondering how you use the info provided. Does it affect your play vs any opponents? I can't see the info being much other than an interesting tidbit as you can't tell if someone is a loser by being a calling station, bluffing too much, etc., so it would be difficult to use the info as an edge once seated. And, I imagine that the $500sngs are populated with alot of the same players across several tables so it would not aid much in table selection.
  • If Party is indeed taking screenshots, then NOTHING is undetectable.

    I should be clear about the fact that I didn't feel like I was trying to "get away with" anything. I had no idea that using PokerProphecy was against the rules. It just tells you how many SNG's your opponents have played, and how often they are in the money. Does this mean that programs like pokertracker are forbidden at Party as well? And, I'm curious as to why Party would have a problem with them.

    I just might email PokerProphecy about this. If I am considering purchasing their product I want to make sure I can use it.


    After searching for topic discussions on Poker Prophecy ,Poker Edge and Poker Tracker etc. It seems that

    A) Party Poker has Remote Access to each persons computer logged onto their service. Which means they can see every program that is runningon your computer.(Thats also why if you download PokerProphecy the program is actually given a random name such as cpwyfhdfiehrieu, so Party Poker doesnt recognise it).

    B) Poker Tracker is permitted within PartyPoker's user agreement because it is using your own hand history's to accumulate stats.

    C)Poker Prophecy and Poker Edge are not allowed because their programs offer databases of stats, that each company has "data mined".

    The difference in Poker Prophecy/Poker Edge vs Poker Tracker is , Poker Tracker is sold as a program that gathers data, while Poker Prophecy/Poker Edge is sold as a fully stocked database.
  • Hmmm... I played last night, and encountered one of the players I had made my PokerProphecy notes on. Big Brother CHANGED them. They erased my %, and filled in random numbers instead. So I open the notes, and it says 7894307636of140. Creepy. Freaky. They're in my head now.
    GTA Poker wrote:
    I can't see the info being much other than an interesting tidbit as you can't tell if someone is a loser by being a calling station, bluffing too much, etc., so it would be difficult to use the info as an edge once seated.

    True, I was just using it as a way of determining who might be playing with scared money. There's a big difference between playing someone who's "been there and done that", and someone who's taking their third shot at these levels, ever, with no ITM finishes yet. But yes, for the most part it was just for my own personal curiosity.

    TY for the info on PokerProphecy, and the extent to which PartyPoker is Big Brother. I may or may not purchase PokerProphecy.
  • A) Party Poker has Remote Access to each persons computer logged onto their service. Which means they can see every program that is runningon your computer.(Thats also why if you download PokerProphecy the program is actually given a random name such as cpwyfhdfiehrieu, so Party Poker doesnt recognise it).

    Not true. PartyPoker.exe is just a process that runs on your machine and has the visibility that your system allows processes to view. You can ratchet up the security level yourself so that party doesn't have access to view the information it's looking for. It's not 'Remote Access' in so much as it's the ability to query your copy of windows for a list of the current running programs. PartyPoker.exe also has access to take screenshots of itself and send them to party servers.

    Again, it's not like it's giving party a wide open view of your machine.. it's just taking little bits of information that your security policy allows. I'll leave it as education to the reader to actually figure out how to ratchet up the levels.
  • OK, I'm bragging.

    As of my last post re: stats on $500+30 SNG's, my performance was:

    $530 Table: 13 wins / 11 losses / 54.17% wins

    As of this morning, my performance is:

    $530 Table: 26 wins / 21 losses / 55.32% wins

    And, I think they're a couple of days behind, and the last couple of days have been good.  50 or so $500 SNG's.  I know it's still not a huge sample size, but it's getting better.

    I've been taking shots at the $100/$200 LHE game lately.  I'm up, but not by much.  The games are noticeably tougher.  Most pots are contested heads-up, and nobody ever calls.  Usually it goes like this: one player raises, a bunch of people fold, a player 3-bets, and the two of them take the flop.  Repeat ad nauseum.

    Not exactly "live" games, but I'm keeping my eye on them to see if they loosen up at all.
  • Played my first $215 sng today, finished third.

    I don't usually play 10 handed sngs, but I was taking some awful beats today and needed a change of pace.

    This was the TIGHTEST sng I had ever seen. My mini raises were stealing blinds frequently from UTG.

    After level 3 it was pretty much push or fold for most players.

    Is this typical play in the $500s as well? Or did I just happen to come across a table of 70 year old Vegas pros taking a break from grinding it out at The Orleans?
  • Congrats on an ITM finish in your first $215.

    I've found that there is no such thing as a typical SNG at Party.  At the $200 level, and even the $500 level, there is SO much player turnaround that you'll generally be playing against 7 or 8 players who are unknown to you. 

    I wouldn't describe the $500 SNG's as extremely tight.  Today I saw a player CALL an all-in bet on the bubble with pocket threes.  4 players left, three get paid, fairly even stacks, big blinds but not insane, and the guy called an all-in bet.  What does he think he's way ahead of?  Pocket twos?  Ace deuce? 

    I know I know I called an all-in bet on the bubble in a similar situation with pocket nines, but pocket nines are better than pocket threes.  And I had already invested chips into the pot.

    Keep bobbing and weaving my friend.  Dodge those bullets.  Those games are highly beatable.
  • Thanks Devin,

    I guess I should restate my assessment wrt "tight". I am used to 6max sngs with overaggressive play fromt he drop of the puck.

    There were some donk all ins mid to late in the game, but in the first 3 levels it was as if everyone was playing with their last $215.

    In my experience of the 6max sngs on Party and Stars, as you move up in limits up through to the $100s the play becomes noticably more insane even in the first few levels. My ITM in the $55s is actually higher than the $22s for this very reason -- I either win a big pot early with my big hands or I am sitting at almost starting stack with only 4 players left, thus greatly increasing my odds of top 2.

    Maybe this was an exceptional $215 with a tighter field than usual.
  • There were some donk all ins mid to late in the game, but in the first 3 levels it was as if everyone was playing with their last $215.

    Funny, I would expect that considering the number of people who love to play over thier heads (and bankrolls) online.
  • BBC Z wrote:
    There were some donk all ins mid to late in the game, but in the first 3 levels it was as if everyone was playing with their last $215.

    Funny, I would expect that considering the number of people who love to play over thier heads (and bankrolls) online.

    Oh, I wasn't playing my own account... :D
  • GTA Poker wrote:
    BBC Z wrote:
    There were some donk all ins mid to late in the game, but in the first 3 levels it was as if everyone was playing with their last $215.

    Funny, I would expect that considering the number of people who love to play over thier heads (and bankrolls) online.

    Oh, I wasn't playing my own account... :D

    Obviously, I need more rich friends..
  • It was strange, my avatar had an eye patch
  • I played in my first $50 + $5 SnG today, not quite the level of Devin and Dave, but still a big step for me.

    After fluttering around in 8th of 9 for the longest time, the 9th place guy busted out so I was 8th of 8. I hung around there for the longest time too, then I got AA.... This tiime they didn't bust me, I managed to dump them when the flop went 7 9 5 all clubs and UTG pushed all in.

    Anyway, I fought my way back up the ranks, took over 1st place with 5 remaining, then held on for the win. I thought for sure I was playing a bot when we were heads up, no chatting, always the same exact moves, I even said he played like a bot, then he typed "nh".

    Can bots type now too?
    :D

    Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack, this was on Stars.
  • Also,

    $215 sng is not my game of choice. It is within my bankroll, but I made a rare steam buy-in after losing several $55 6max sngs AK to A2 etc etc and HI PLO matches AAKQ to 2387 and so on and so on.

    I am not comfortable playing at that level online on a regular basis, although I see how it could be profitable. I think if I have a few good months of live play that I may take a run at some of these higher-buyin sngs online, but for now, not for now.

    Currently my comfort level hovers around the $100 sngs max. I'd rather use my bankroll to move up limits in my strongest game, live limit holdem.
  • MDSGuy wrote:
    I thought for sure I was playing a bot when we were heads up, no chatting, always the same exact moves, I even said he played like a bot, then he typed "nh".

    Can bots type now too?
    :D

    He was probably 256-tabling or something.
  • I just finished writing an article for CPP about this stuff, but check this out:

    I did some math on my nemesis, MajorPolk.  PokerProphecy tells me that he has played approx. 1500 $500+$30 SNG's, and he is ITM roughly 44% of the time.

    I tried to figure out how much he's made, and in what period of time.

    HOW MUCH HE'S MADE:

    Total investment (including entry fees): $795,000
    ITM finishes: 660 of 1500

    The tricky part is figuring out his return on an ITM finish, because we don't know how many firsts, seconds, and thirds he's gotten.  A simple average of the three payouts ($2500, $1500, $1000) would be $1666.66.  This is aiming a little high though... we can assume he is getting more third place finishes than he is getting first place finishes.  So, I have decided to average out an ITM payout to $1500.

    Total return: $990,000
    Total profit: $195,000

    How long did it take him to make this $195,000?

    I regularly see him playing upwards of six at a time, for hours on end.  I decided to lowball it, and assume that he's playing 25/night.  I also decided to lowball the # of nights/week he plays, at 5.

    So, it took him about 3 months to make about $195,000, only playing sit and go's.

    He is my idol.
  • I wonder where MajorPolk is writing an article about his nemesis All_Aces...?
  • moose wrote:
    I wonder where MajorPolk is writing an article about his nemesis All_Aces...?

    I guess I can dream!

    I almost told him that I was writing an article about him last night. We were in the same sit and go, and I was alternating between playiing against him and writing about him.

    But, I figured he probably wouldn't care.
  • I wouldn't necessarily say he would have more 3rds than 1sts. Someone has to have more 1sts than thirds, to make up for the weaker people with more 3rds than 1sts, and you would expect it to be the better players.

    I play mostly the 22 SNG's, and I ran into a guy who played 7 at a time, "puffdog". He is up 16,000 since 'ast Feb (according to Sharkscope) I think I figured hen played 15 per day, if he played 7 days a week.

    Sort of the low limit version of your guy.
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