Tournament hand Analysis -QQ

I'm playing in a live deepstack tournament and have been playing fairly wrecklessly but have also shown down a few good hands. I'm mixing up my play a tonne as the blinds and the stack allow for quite a bit of play. I'm finding that players are playing back at me quite a bit as I really could have anything. I had just raised from UTG+1 with KQ and taken the pot down after I turned top two pair, I showed my hand just for funzies and to let my opponents know that I wasn't completely full of crap all the time.

Next hand I see QQ utg. Blinds are 200/400, I make it 1600 total. Folded around to the BB who promptly re-raises me another 1200 (min raise). Now, I know this guy has a hand here. He had re-raised me earlier after he thought I was stealing and eventually doubled up off me when my 1010 was no good against his K7. I didn't believe he would try this again and the min raise made me think.
The other thing that I needed to consider was the fact that if I do re-raise all in here i'm almost positive he will call, he rarely lays down big hands preflop and I'm putting him on AA, KK or AK. I don't feel as though I need to race at this stage of the tournament.

Stack sizes in parenthesis:

stpboy (13000) QQ
villain (17000) ??

Flop 10 10 4
villain checks
stpboy bets 1600
villain re-raises to 4000
stpboy ???


What's my move here? I small bet the flop trying to see where I was although in all honesty I figured I was good at this point. When he check-raised me I was dumbfounded. For what it's worth we're nowhere near the money and I was playing to win it.

stp

Comments

  • Sounds like you're almost answering your own question here. You've put him on a very narrow range of hands; AA, KK or AK. If he has AK, you're way ahead. If not, you're way behind.

    Chances of being dealt AK pre-flop is 1.2% and AA or KK is 0.9%, which means there's 4-3 odds, or 57% that he has AK.

    So, pretty much a coin-flip at this point and the final piece of the puzzle you need to ask yourself is if he's capable of making that play with AK. Is he making a play at you (or possible even think his AK is the best hand)

    You mentioned that you didn't feel you needed to race at this stage of the tournament and, with the hands you've put him on, it works out to be a virtual race.

    I'm also confused by your statement, "I figured I was good at this point" post-flop. Based on your pre-flop read, you're beat here half the time.
  • I think his min raise in this spot = AA or KK. As you said, he’d reraised you earlier w/ a marginal hand & you “caught” him (even though you lost the pot). I think he’d be gunshy to make the same move on the same player so soon.

    I don’t think he’d make a min raise w/ JJ or AK, as they’re hands you don’t want action.

    The problem is, if you put him on AA or KK, you shouldn’t bet (check for a free card). He won’t fold on a 10 10 4 flop.
  • online players are horrible. Min raise pre flop is a horrible raise, so you can't pre flop put him on anthing really... He could have 10 face card and flopped the trips and check raised or he coulda had a any poker pair medium to big and done the exact same thing. I'd go all in.
  • online players are horrible. Min raise pre flop is a horrible raise, so you can't pre flop put him on anthing really... He could have 10 face card and flopped the trips and check raised or he coulda had a any poker pair medium to big and done the exact same thing. I'd go all in.
    stpboy wrote:
    I'm playing in a live deepstack tournament and have been playing.....

    Just for clarification
  • Ok, so I had a very hard time folding this hand. I also did believe that my opponent did have it in him to make this play with AK although I didn't 100% trust my read. I also new what my table image was to everyone and I took this into consideration. So I just called his re-raise....

    stpboy (13000) QQ
    villain (17000) ??

    Flop 10 10 4
    villain checks
    stpboy bets 1600
    villain re-raises to 4000
    stpboy calls

    Turn 2
    Villain checks
    stpboy ???????
  • If you intend to see this to the bitter end, push now while you've still got some fold equity. Otherwise, check and fold to his massive river bet.
  • Man tough one.

    You've already comitted about 1/2 your stack to this hand. Since you are playing to win, push it all in. A flod here get u real close to short stacked status.

    Hobbes
  • Sorry didn't see it was a life tourny... Hmmm Very risky, i'd still think i'd call though.
  • stpboy (13000) QQ
    villain (17000) ??

    Flop 10 10 4
    villain checks >>>>>>I felt I was good here because he checked
    stpboy bets 1600
    villain re-raises to 4000
    stpboy calls

    Turn 2
    Villain checks
    stpboy checks >>>> I really didn't want to walk into another CR and was really confused by his check here.

    River A
    Villain checks
    stpboy ? ? ? ?
  • I was there so I know the result, but hopefully this is impartial enough. I probably would have risked a check-raise on the turn to get more chips in the pot if I'm ahead (or win the pot right there), or know I was behind. However, when you checked and the A came down on the river, I don't think you can do anything but check. He could have a 10, but I'd be more worried about an over-played AK or AQ here, both of which beat you. Based on him showing strength with the CR, he's either bluffing and will fold to a raise, or you're beat - either way you're not getting more chips out of him. And if he is "only" holding a medium ace or a weak 10, because of the hands you've shown, you aren't going to bet him off the pot. Check the river.
  • Haven't you busted out already?

    He's either got JJ or KK. Go all in to find out.
  • I'd prob (almost definately) check it down.  If you check the river and win - you win.  If you check the river and lose, you lose the least amount of chips.  Since you stated you thought he might be on a single A, the board has found it a friend and there is no way for you now to win the pot.

    PLUS, you get to see what he re-raised you with - good or bad!
  • What happened?
  • The turn check is very suspicious.

    He is clearly representing a big hand - but your call on the flop should tell him that you too have a big hand.

    I think he made an error not betting the turn if he indeed does have AA or KK. If you had the 10 on the flop you would likely be re-raising his bump to 4000m, all-in. SO if he does indeed have AA or KK he should be still betting for value on the turn (For the donks who cant lay down QQ:))


    However, if he is playing a strong A the turn has brought him nothing and he must figure you for a good hand too (like QQ) or any pockets - where he is now a huge underdog.


    That turn check is just really hard to figure out. But if you are in his shoes - when the board pairs 10-10 - it is hard to place another 10 in the guys hand - and a strong A is still a good hand - but not when you call for 4000 - I think at this point he knows he is not taking you off your hand - so he has chose not to continue a bluff - if he had the hand he should have trying add money to the pot with a bet.

    I think you are good

    But the river brought  the Ace.

    Check here - he may have JJ or 99 and you are leaving money on the table but he is also now likely to have you beat.
  • Great comments guys, I was very confused by the check-raise and then the check on the turn. Completely false information. Preflop=strong, Flop=very strong, turn=weak? Anyway, I cheked the river as well and lost to AK. I had said afterwards that I think I lost about as little as I could considering how tihs hand was played. I think he would have called an all in on the turn fwiw.

    stp
  • My thoughts...
    I'm finding that players are playing back at me quite a bit as I really could have anything.

    Uh-oh. You have busted them out of their complacent little poker lives. That's bad. Shift gear and tighten up. Always try and be playing opposite to how you are perceived.
    Next hand I see QQ utg. Blinds are 200/400, I make it 1600 total. Folded around to the BB who promptly re-raises me another 1200 (min raise). Now, I know this guy has a hand here. He had re-raised me earlier after he thought I was stealing and eventually doubled up off me when my 1010 was no good against his K7. I didn't believe he would try this again and the min raise made me think.
    The other thing that I needed to consider was the fact that if I do re-raise all in here i'm almost positive he will call, he rarely lays down big hands preflop and I'm putting him on AA, KK or AK. I don't feel as though I need to race at this stage of the tournament.

    I now ring an alarm bell in my heads ANYTIME there is a re-raise. Is it a re-steal or is it a legit hand? In this case, it's legit. There are not too many possibilities. I can't put down QQ yet. I call.
    stpboy (13000) QQ
    villain (17000) ??

    Flop 10 10 4
    villain checks
    stpboy bets 1600
    villain re-raises to 4000
    stpboy


    What's my move here? I small bet the flop trying to see where I was although in all honesty I figured I was good at this point. When he check-raised me I was dumbfounded. For what it's worth we're nowhere near the money and I was playing to win it.

    Fold. You answered your own question .. "I small bet trying to see where I was." He is telling you that you are behind. I believe him.
  • Scanning the rest of the thread...

    I check the turn. Someone is WAY ahead. He has six outs (AK) or two outs (pair lower than QQ) or you have two outs AA or KK. TT seems unlikely since I can't fathom that he c/r with TT on the flop.

    On the river, I check again. What can he have that will call? JJ or 88? He could well have AK and fear a ten is trapping him.
  • Well, it looks as though I could have gotten away from this on the flop after the C/R but in hindsight I was ahead. I thought about this hand afterwards and felt as though I either lost close to the minimum or severely outplayed. I'm leaning towards being outplayed, I'll have to remember this hand next time I meet up with this opponent. Or is this exactly what he wants me to remember? Do do do <scary music>

    stp
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