What's your move?

QueenNine

PokerStars Game #4636944861: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/04/15 - 19:18:18 (ET)
Table 'Adelgunde' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ulaanbaatar ($109.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Graul ($100.10 in chips)
Seat 4: SIDDALL ($27.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Ice B ($64.45 in chips)
Seat 6: danuk ($104.40 in chips)
Seat 7: MDSGuy24 ($155.85 in chips)
Seat 8: 50/100 ($35.15 in chips)
Seat 9: Jonny P ($42.35 in chips)
danuk: posts small blind $0.50
MDSGuy24: posts big blind $1
Graul: posts small & big blinds $1.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MDSGuy24 [3h Qc]
50/100: folds
Jonny P: folds
ulaanbaatar: folds
Graul: checks
SIDDALL: calls $1
Ice B: folds
danuk: calls $0.50
MDSGuy24: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 7d Jd]
danuk: checks
MDSGuy24: checks
Graul: checks
SIDDALL: checks
*** TURN *** [7s 7d Jd] [Qs]
danuk: checks
MDSGuy24: bets $2
Graul: calls $2
SIDDALL: calls $2
danuk: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [7s 7d Jd Qs] [Qh]
danuk: bets $5
MDSGuy24: raises $10 to $15
Graul: raises $25 to $40
SIDDALL: folds
danuk: calls $35
MDSGuy24:????

T_Mac

id go allin, probably against the other queen and a slowplayed 7 who might not be able to fold

SirWatts

Just call. Probably chopping at best and you could easily run into QJ or maybe even quads.

SOS

I never thought I'd disagree with SirWatts, but just calling here is pretty weak i think.
it's true, Graul could have 77, but Danuk seems like he was slow playing a 7 which takes the 77 away from Graul's possibilities. The hand I would fear is QJ, but what the hey, if he has it he has it.
With it being 3 handed there's way more value to raising than calling.
What is result?

QueenNine

I dismissed Danuk off the hand right from the start, I didn't put him on anything, it turns out I was right about him, he showed AK.

I thought long and hard about what hands Graul could have, I went over the betting pattern and figured him for either JJ, or J7. I slid my slider all the way to the right to push all in, then waited. I couldn't push. I figured I was beat, but I had to pay to see. I knew I had Danuk beat, I just called and Graul showed his 77 for the quads.

I normally would have insta pushed here, I think I am maturing as a poker player to realize when I am beat. Should I have just folded then? Knowing I was beat? I figured for $25 I was getting about 4:1 to call, and that made it worth it to see his quads.

specialK

MDSGuy wrote:

I dismissed Danuk off the hand right from the start, I didn't put him on anything, it turns out I was right about him, he showed AK.

I thought long and hard about what hands Graul could have, I went over the betting pattern and figured him for either JJ, or J7. I slid my slider all the way to the right to push all in, then waited. I couldn't push. I figured I was beat, but I had to pay to see. I knew I had Danuk beat, I just called and Graul showed his 77 for the quads.

I normally would have insta pushed here, I think I am maturing as a poker player to realize when I am beat. Should I have just folded then? Knowing I was beat? I figured for $25 I was getting about 4:1 to call, and that made it worth it to see his quads.

i think you have to figure that the only hand that's raising you here is a hand you are chopping with at best... i FC, not folding though.

wader

You don't fold here. You simply call and chop or call and lose.

Wader

ChrisWinsor

go all in. Unlikely that he'd not raise pre flop with 77. Had ha had QJ he prolly woulda raised when the J came to see where we was sitting, and even more so when the queen turned. He probably has a queen. So all in for me.

westside8

I'm with Watts on this one. You will end up chopping with one of them majority of the time, but by pushing you will be losing the player with the 7 full of Qs while you are risking your whole stack for most likely a chop, while running into QJ once in awhile.

ScoobyD

He probably has a queen. So all in for me.

So where is your edge with the push then? Do you expect another Q to fold? I agree with the majority of the others with the bet/raise/reraise line, you can greatly narrow the 3rd raisors hand. At WORST he has a Q. You chop vs. that player, unless he has QJ in which case you lose your stack. Ditto for 77. No-one is likely to be calling with a worse hand to your significant reraise, so best case you chop. Additionally, if you flat call, there is a small chance you might get a weak overcall for 10 bucks more from a 7. I don't see much value in a raise here.

jpajamas

Call, see previous call reponses for explanation.( I hate re-hashing logic)