ak hand
This is a hand I played yesterday in the $10-20 limit game at Brantford:
I have AKo on the button. There are five limpers before I raise. One of the early limpers, a loose aggressive player (henceforth LAP), reraises. Most players call and I call. The flop comes Kd 4s 2s. LAP bets, one player calls, then the player directly before me, a good player I've played against many times who has a few tricks up his sleeve (henceforth GTP) raises. I reraise and LAP and GTP calls. The turn is the 7h. Both players check to me and I bet. LAP calls and GTP raises. What do you do?
I have AKo on the button. There are five limpers before I raise. One of the early limpers, a loose aggressive player (henceforth LAP), reraises. Most players call and I call. The flop comes Kd 4s 2s. LAP bets, one player calls, then the player directly before me, a good player I've played against many times who has a few tricks up his sleeve (henceforth GTP) raises. I reraise and LAP and GTP calls. The turn is the 7h. Both players check to me and I bet. LAP calls and GTP raises. What do you do?
Comments
I think 3 betting might be spewing. Â If LAP is on a flush draw, you're not getting rid of him. Assuming this is a "good tight player", one of the most obvious hands he should put you on is AK. Â I don't see a good tight player check raising QQ here (and why wouldn't he have 3 bet preflop?). KQ is possible if he's super agressive, AK seems unlikely since he should have 3 bet preflop. Â With 6 to the flop 44 or 22 is certainly possible since sets play well in such loose games. On the other hand, maybe he's the type to check raise the turn on a semi-bluff? Â Kx of spades, 65s etc. might make that move with a big drawing hand I guess. I think you're behind more often than you're ahead though, and raising is going to probably cost you 4 big bets to get to showdown (if you're behind) as opposed to 2 if you go into calldown mode. Â Just my 2 cents, maybe I'm weak-tight.
But I clearly agreed with you 4 posts up. Reraising is spewing.
lol i don't read your posts, they tend to be too offensive... towards me... and other weak tight players...
after rereading your post several times i don't find it offensive, and it seems that you say call down... just didn't notice before...
Wader
Obviously I shouldn't have folded in such a big pot, but I really thought I was beat and drawing thin or dead. A check-raise after a bet and call on the turn from a good player screamed extreme strength to me. Also, since I've played against this guy a lot, I figured he'd think I had at least KQ, and that I probably wouldn't fold it (it's not something I've done much before). However, I should have realized he could checkraise with a hand like the one he had.
So I have some questions I'm hoping you guys can help me with. You see, I feel like I should be able to fold top pair top kicker in certain situations. So when should I fold a hand like this or should I? For example, if the turn card was a spade and the hand played out the same way, then should I have folded (I didn't have a spade)? And when would folding top pair top kicker always be a mistake?
In general, you shouldn't be folding a hand this big in a big pot. And you probably need to re-evaluate your defination of "good tight player" if he's coldcalling an EP raise with trash like K6s. In general it becomes easier to get away from a hand like TPTK against predictiable (passive) opponents that have woken up when a draw hits (even more so if you're stuck between them). Don't try to be that guy that can make "a big laydown", it's -EV in LLHE.
I fold.
Does he expect to get called? Yes, you have unloaded a TON of aggression in this hand. You are beat and drawing to five outs, two outs, or no outs. The other players calling a lot looks like a flush draw and that will give you even less outs.
I am loathe to put down top pair at limit hold'em but this looks like a spot that I could.
Amen brother, amen.
Hero is getting something stupid like 14 or 15:1 on the turn. He has plenty of outs given the pot size against 2 pair.
A CLEAR fold UI getting like 15:1 or better with TPTK? Excuse me? You don't need to be good here very often to justify calling down. You are NOT beat 100% of the time here, it may be like 90%, but it goes to show how easily people may underestimate their odds of having the best hand. This pot is monstrous. Don't make mistakes that cost you the pot, make mistakes that cost you a bet or 2.
I didn't realize this was going to turn into a LHE bash thread. You bash LHE because you don't understand it. I could easily say, "NLHE sucks because when a moron catches a 2 outer it costs you your stack, as opposed to a few bets". Comparing LHE to NLHE is like comparing Scrabble to Monopoly, they're 2 completely different games...saying one is better than the other is pretty pointless IMO, there are great things about both...
Although this is correct, I think that A LOT of players lose A LOT of money one and two bets at a time, just in case. If you are beat, fold. If there is a chance you are not beat, call. But do not get in the habit of routinely oversetimateing that chance that you have the best hand.