Tourny hand: AA w/ a scary flop.

chubechube
in General Poker Chat
(I posted this on another forum, but thought I'd like to hear people's thoughts here.)

About a month ago I went in my first B&M tourny (I had played cash games quite a bit).  It was a rebuy tourny and the following hand took place immediately after the rebuy/addon period was over.  I'd like to know, not only what others would do here but what thought processes would lead them to their conclusion.

The blinds are $100/$200.  I am in the SB with $3200 and am dealt AA (I'm going to leave the suits out for now).  It is folded around to me, so I raise it to $600.  The BB (whose stack is about the same as mine) calls.

The flop is:   :js :ts :9s

I am unsure of whether I hold the A of spades and don't want to look right now, so I bet out $1000 with little hesitation.  The BB goes all-in fairly quickly after that.

So, I am faced with a $1600 call into a $4800 pot.  What are your thoughts here?  It is the first hand after the rebuy period.  There are several loose-weak players at the table, IMO.  What are his likely holdings? 

My decision was that if I had the :as, I call.  If not, I fold.  Do you think this was the right decision?

Comments

  • PokerNut2094PokerNut2094
    Obviously, if you have the Ace of spades I think it is an automatic call because it is highly like that you have the best hand already and if he does have two pair/flush/set, you have outs.

    I think I may call also even if I did not have the spade. It depends obviously on your read of the player, but I think it is unlikely that a player with a made two card flush would push all in. He may be trying to protect his top pair from a flush draw. However, since you both have relatively short stacks he may not slow play it. In any event, if you fold you will be playing the all-in game. I would take my chances that my aces are good.

    Just my opinion. Obviously, folding as a viable option.
  • ScoobyDScoobyD
    Need more info. What's the stack size of the BB? What's your read on him? What's do you think he thinks of your play?

    I think that in general you can "probably" discount his holdings a bit, since if you made that open raise from the SB it's going to look an awful lot like a steal/continuation bet. He might make this play with any pair, a flush draw, etc. The problem is, if he has something like KT with the Ks he has a lot of outs to beat you. Even if you're currently ahead, you're likely flipping vs. a pair/straight/flush draw combo. But if it is a flip, you've already committed half your stack and it's tough to get away now given the price you're getting.

    If you have the As it's a trivially easy call given you're getting 3:1 with a draw to the (near) nuts (assuming he doesn't have a made SF). As well, there's a good chance you have the best hand.

    With a deeper stack, I think this is much easier to get away from...
  • chubechube
    I did mention his stack was the same size as mine... he had $100 more, I think.
    He was pretty tight during the rebuy period but I think that was mainly due to a couple of maniacs at our table. This was the first hand after the rebuy period was over.
    I think he probably felt that I would attempt to steal a blind here and there.
  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    With $1600 of your stack in and $1600 left and blinds at $100/$200, I think you're pot commited. \

    You are likely ahead, or drawing to the nuts.

    So how did it end?

    JohnnieH
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    I think your bet and remaining stack doesn't leave you a lot of room for tough decisions. You pretty much have to call here with an M of about 5 and a strong hand on a scary flop.

    He could have a weak flush, he could have the straight, he could have a set or he could have 2pr. In which case you are in trouble. Or he could have top pair, a draw to the flush or straight or even any 2 cards if he thinks you missed the flop and are continuation betting - especially if he has seen you make some tough laydowns when you encountered resistance.

    It's really based on the types of plays you've seen him make and the ones he's seen you make to get a feel for whether you're ahead here or significantly behind. If you have the As, at best for you I'd put him at 30% and at best for him I'd put you at 30%. With the pot offering you 3-1, a call is in order.
  • SirWattsSirWatts
    This sucks but I'm calling regardless. Too much money out there to fold now he could easy have a combo hand like a pair and straight/flush draw that you're not in terrible shape against or maybe something like AJ if you're lucky.
  • specialKspecialK
    I think this is a very read based call... the fact that he's shoving in to me would tell me he doesn't have the flush, but a big draw. I kind of think that the way you based your call on whether or not you had the As was a bit weak in this spot. I think you basically have to call whether or not you have the As just because not many players would CR with a flush on the flop... i don't know though, that's where your read on the guy comes in, but i would tend to put this player on AsJ or AsQ...that is if you don't infact have the As... if you do have As my chips are in the pot faster than i can say call... i guess there is one hand that you wouldn't want to see the guy have if you don't have the As here and that is KQ spade or not... that would be a sick read, but i don't know, if he has that you are screwed if you don't have As and that would be a good fold... tough call... interested to see how it turned out.
  • chubechube
    I looked at my cards and did indeed see the  :as , so I called of course.

    The other guy turns over  :jh :10h for two pair.  The turn was a blank, and the river was  :4s and I doubled up and actually went on to finish 3rd in the tourny (of 120) people.

    As the hand turned out, it probably didn't matter what I did on the flop... but I still think I should have played it differently.  I have learned to remember the suits of my hole cards even if they're suited.  If I didn't have the  :as, my flop bet was wrong.  A $400 bet could have made him fold or still go all-in and allowed me to get away from the hand easier... and I don't think the guy would have bluffed me at that point of the tourny if he completely missed the flop.
  • ChrisWinsorChrisWinsor
    Pot commited at that point so you gotta call.


    Here are my thoughts on 3 suite flops and you hold top pair or better. In almost all of these situations when your opponent bets or goes over the top of you, he's usually holding one high card in that suite. If this is the case, then You should call the all in. It is a scary flop and you may be drawing almost dead, but if he only has one of the suite you're getting good percentage to call.

    :ah :ac vs :as :3c with a :9s :ts :js flop gives the pocket aces 60% to win. That's why i almost alway will call the all ins or push all in first to either win the pot right then and their or do a 60:40 draw.
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