Cash Game Analysis- 75c
Playing in a $1/2 NLHE cash game, sitting with about $70 in front of me. A loose aggressive player utg+1 makes it $11 to go preflop. I've seen him make this raise with anythign from KJ, A8o to AA. So he likely has something, not necessarily something good. I'm looking to mix my play up a bit. I look down and see 75c, I call.
The big blind, a player that relies on picking up pots post flop and is very aggressive also calls.
Both players have me outchipped by another $50 or so.
Flop comes Q 7 3 rainbow (one club)
BB checks, LAG bets $10 into a pot of $34. This raise looks weak to me but this could be exactly what LAG wants it to look like.
I have $59 in front of me, what's my move here? Please don't respond with the "Well, I would never call with 75c in the first place" because I know you all would
stp
The big blind, a player that relies on picking up pots post flop and is very aggressive also calls.
Both players have me outchipped by another $50 or so.
Flop comes Q 7 3 rainbow (one club)
BB checks, LAG bets $10 into a pot of $34. This raise looks weak to me but this could be exactly what LAG wants it to look like.
I have $59 in front of me, what's my move here? Please don't respond with the "Well, I would never call with 75c in the first place" because I know you all would
stp
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Ok, I guess you wouldn't call with it but I did and unfortunately my time machine in the garage is still in the works. When it is ready I will let you all know and we can all go back in time and fix our mistakes hehehe.
Doesn't calling seem a bit weak? For those of you that know the players involved, it was Mario (LAG) and Cory "folded" as the Big Blind.....Hope that helps.
stp
Boooooo! How did I know everyone was going to reply with this response?
Ok, let's imagine I'm playing online and misclicked and now called the $11 preflop by mistake. What's my play against these two opponents...? Thou asketh for Hand analysis, thou shall receive...
stp
Because you called off 15% of your stack with 7 high? As mentioned you have zero implied odds with your tiny stack.
As for the post flop play, I don't see how you can possibly fold for 10 bucks given that you made a much worse call preflop with nothing in the pot. You managed to flop 2nd pair no kicker and have BD straight and flush draws, vs. 2 unpredictable opponents. Awesome. Your move is heavily read based. If you really think your opponents ranges are huge, then I'd want to isolate vs. the raiser (as ridiculous as that sounds), since he could have missed the flop. Basically any raise you make is going to more or less commit you to the pot. I still don't like this hand at all, as you have no information on what the lag behind you is going to do.Â
I know the results (I dealt this mess) so I won't give anything away. But evaluating the hand, I think the pre-flop call was marginal, but that can be passed off based on the 2 villians. Flop a monster and you're getting paid off. However, you didn't flop a monster, and while I can somewhat understand what happened preflop, after the flop you fold period (unless you're treating the hand like a lottery ticket). Against these 2 players, you MAY bet 1 off the hand, but not both. Folding is the only sane option.
"VILLIANS" In the immortal words of Roger danger Field " I tell ya I get no respect".
Can't wait to here the end of this story. LOL!
For Shannon to expose how much of a donk call was made by him pre flop and post and post flop by myself.
And two, to show how donkish he is with the river.
Once the final details are posted, please feel free to puke
lol
ME
The problem is even if you get paid off everytime you flop a "monster" and you never pay off with a "second best monster" you are still losing money.
Anyways, assuming it was a misclick, I fold postflop and reload to the max. Playing 1-2 NL with 70 bucks seems a little odd.
Cheers
Magi
I pushed on the flop and Cory "folded" thought about it, he wasn't worried about me he was worried about Mario to act behind him. Cory eventually didn't trust his read and called, Mario then pushed Cory in who, once again, called. I guess this is what he was talking about when he mentioned his two donks calls.
Cory flips over 1010 and Mario shows KK, I was in trouble. Was.
Turn 7 river 9 and I win. I got lucky, it was beautiful. For me atleast.
stp
But a win's a win - nice $172 pot Shannon
Just so you know, I've played worse poker. Made worse calls. Made worse reads. Hehehe
stp
I always thought that "trip 7s" meant that you _already had_ trips...
man, what a hand.....I have to honestly say I could never call with that pre-flop, ever...but I agree with Lou, post flop it's fold or bluff, I would probably try to steal even knowing Cory and Mario are calling...then I'm folding to Mario's re-raise, then I am feeding Mario knuckle sandwiches when the 7 hits on the turn....or I throw my puck at him!
I believe one off those hands involved Mark and I think it was 95c. The 5c is good to you. LOL
Here's a Brantford conversation which I think applies. Half decent player is lamenting that his good hands just don't seem to hold and he's losing money with them, as he's defending calling three cold pre-flop and on the flop with 82o which later turned his trips. I say to him "I wouldn't be searching your good hands for your leaks". (I mean that in the nicest way)
This is the thing I love about poker. Good old empirical data with an extremely small sample gets players to continue to make wrong decisions. Not sure on the point of the post -- I think there should be another forum "In yo face". This would be a good post for that forum.  :D
Cheers
Magi
Coming from someone who plays MUCH worse on a regular basis I LOVE the way you played your hand. I would have also shoved the flop. I love 1/2 NL! Gamboooool! NH!
I was very surprised to see that many players not like my play, thanks ComaU! I loved my play and not just because it worked out. I'll spend $60 anyday for people to remember this hand and pay me off in the future
Mario, for the record the hand against Mark was 95spades. I called that one preflop all in for about $30, he only had A4...trip 5's baby!
stp
I might call the flop getting 4:1 and possibly having the best hand, but I would never have called preflop. Putting in 12% of my stack with 7 high just aint how I roll.
Huh?
I hated my respose, so I deleted it.
Cheers
Magi
He says that people call him a lucky player. that he hits his miracles alot and makes money with them.
doyle brunson makes himself threatening at the table because he is willing to lose, and when other players knwo that, they fear him.
shannon was willing to lose on that hand. you have to be when you push with Mid-pair no kicker. it makes him dangerous.
lets be honest here folks, when we look down in a cash game and see a monster premium hand (mainly aces), we dont just go wild on the inside with happiness to have that hand, we are goddamn scared shitless that we have that hand. we knwo that we dont just have the potential to win big with it, but have the potential to lose even bigger. When there is a guy liek shannon in a cash game with us we knwo he is going to make some dangerous moves to try and take all the money he can.
"Put your apponent to the test" Brunson says. "Make them make a decision for all their chips"
shannon is dangerous. I know it, Mario and cory knwo it, and anyone who has played with him knows it.
isnt that the table image we all want???
good move shannon. good job sucking out with a shit hand and making us fear you.
Johnny
With only 35 bb, he is unable to "put his opponent to a test" because his opponent is basically pot stuck after a PF raise and a flop bet against him.
Johnny, if you want to ask Shannon out, post in the Personal's section.
Fold pre-flop, check/fold on the flop. If you replace Mario/Cory with Me sitting in both spots, your all-in on the flop might have worked and you would have gotten me to fold (not if I was holding KK though) but, seriously, did you think you were ahead when you pushed? Since you knew you were behind and KNEW CORY WOULDN'T fold (same goes for Malt), I don't know how you ever suggest this was a good play.
If the 2nd 7 didn't come, you'd have been posting, look at the dumb play I made for my entire stack against Cory and Mario cause it was Cory and Mario.
I guess I can't dispute this hand when the vast majority of you view my play as brutal but heck, I'll try. People always say, use your image to your advantage. I'm typically a fairly tight-aggressive player that makes few plays against my opponents. I've been trying to mix up my game a bit and trust my reads a lot more. I think of my reading ability as my strongest weapon when playing poker. My read in this case was incredibly wrong but even so, taking into consideration what I thought my opponents thought of me(my image), I felt as though I could get them off ANY hand. These guys have played with me several times and when I re-raise, I have the hand 95% of the time. Ask most tight aggressive players how often they bluff and I think the % will be about the same (5% or less). Most of the times, those are semi-bluffs as this one was.
I didn't post this hand as an 'in yo face' hand. I posted it for some analysis, I posted to show a hand that was played rather unorthodoxically and to create some discussion. I fully admitted that I made a bad read but if I was to have won the hand by them both folding their (AJ and K10s) hands they both fully could have been in with, we wouldn't be having this conversation (it would be boring).
In regards to the question, did you really think you were ahead when you pushed on the turn? It didn't matter to me if I was ahead, I wanted them to believe I was and I pushed. I think this is a very solid play. Perhaps my only mistake in this hand was to call with that particular hand with a shallow stack. I still question this though, as me raising another $45-$50 after the flop should garner some attention when most bought in for a measly $60. I'm not going to sit around all day and wait for aces.
Feel free to flame....
stp
You bassfish.
OK, but NL is all about the size of your mistakes, not how many you make. This particular mistake put your entire (albeit short) stack at risk.
Yes. Doyle loves his reckless image. But he's advocating using this style with a BIG stack, and against weak-tight opponents (which isn't the case here). From what I remember in SS the whole "put your opponents to the test" advocates putting your opponents to decisions for their stack NOT yours. Ie you bet half your stack with the intention of folding to someone who comes over the top. You're risking half your stack but you're telling your opponents "I'm commiting my WHOLE stack to this pot (even though you aren't)". Ie, if they're going to play they know they're facing a big bet on later streets as well. I don't think he advocates sticking his entire stack in blindly and hoping he isn't utterly destroyed...
I wholly understand where you're coming from. You don't want your image to be weak-tight and every time you raise, people run for cover when you have a premium hand. But given your shallow stack and your opponents' willingness to gamble, I don't see how you can count on making these guys make a big laydown post-flop.
I think the preflop call is marginal with a big stack, but OK if you play well postflop (and I'm not suggesting you'd get married to 2nd pair with a bigger stack). I think it's a surefire money loser with a short stack though.
Not my intention, I just don't see how you can justify this as a "good play". Just my 2 cents though...