Exclusive poop?

magithighsmagithighs
in General Poker Chat
So, I'm reading a post about yesterday's stars 1000 tourney (I  had a ticket, but cashed it in and didn't play -- figure better EV to play in the BCC 1500).  http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=5201768&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD

In the articile they mention Exclusive having two accounts and one of them going to the final table.  And, they talk about him being a known cheat.

Does anyone have the background information on this as I don't want to sift through thousands of posts?

Cheers
Magi

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  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    There have been a few threads on 2+2 in the past regarding exclusive's multiple accounts. I also believe that there was a finding of him playing multiple accounts in some big Stars MTTs in the past, but don't quote me on it.

    It is assumed that in every big MTT online there are at least a small proportion of the field playing at least 2 accounts -- not to believe so is naive. That being said, it's a much better move to invest that money in a live MTT.
  • beanie42beanie42
    Lee Jones quote from 2+2:
    Hi Folks -
    I realize that there are all kinds of rumors about the relationship between "Exclusive" and "Who is next" on PokerStars. We were aware of the relationship and started researching it immediately after Win busted out. We spoke to "Who is next" on the phone, and confirmed that he had actually played the event. We checked and it turned out that the two accounts never crossed paths during the tournament. So there was no question of collusion. Did Exclusive "coach" Win during the final table? We don't know and we don't really care. We don't have a "one player to hand" rule at PokerStars. [1]

    We have gone to extraordinary lengths here to ensure that everything was above board. We are persuaded, within a reasonable tolerance, that Exclusive played one account and 'Who is next' played one account.

    If you want to chat about this tournament, there are a lot of things to discuss, including the stellar field that ended up at the last two or three tables, the incredible comeback that "bigbugs" made, and the spectacular finish that E-Daddie delivered to outrun Greg "Fossilman" Raymer. Those are the really interesting bits.

    Best regards,
    Lee Jones

    PokerStars Poker Room Manager

    [1] We don't have a "one player to a hand" rule because we couldn't enforce such a rule. We don't like having rules we can't enforce. This is just one of those fundamental differences between online and B&M poker.

    Kudos to them for going to the length of actually phoning to check things out, rather than ignoring it.  Obviously rumours will continue to fly, but so far there's been no proof (and this would be difficult to prove).  There's also a post on pocketfives that Noah will post there later.

    Too bad that this stuff eclipses the fact that Raymer made it HU and finished second. It was interesting/boring watching the HU play, as only about 5% of the hands went to showdown.
  • jpajamasjpajamas
    OH man, that's the last thing you need, getting busted for collusion...yikes :'(
  • harthgoshharthgosh
    Who is next is not noah. Its pathetic that people are saying it is. The so called whistle blowers have no idea except from internet rumours. And going back to the el capitano thing i was in the room the whole time and all he was doing was coaching.

    I was talking to Who is next on msn the whole tourney, no one else played.

    This is all a waste of time.... stars knows noah had nothing to do with it, its just a bunch of crap. Pocketfives is the worst site ever, and noah is not going to post anything about this nonsense cause he doesnt care since he has done nothing wrong.
  • magithighsmagithighs
    harthgosh wrote:
    Who is next is not noah.   Its pathetic that people are saying it is.  The so called whistle blowers have no idea except from internet rumours.  And going back to the el capitano thing i was in the room the whole time and all he was doing was coaching.

      I was talking to Who is next on msn the whole tourney, no one else played.

    This is all a waste of time.... stars knows noah had nothing to do with it, its just a bunch of crap.  Pocketfives is the worst site ever, and noah is not going to post anything about this nonsense cause he doesnt care since he has done nothing wrong.

    I missed the whole Exclusive/El Capitano thing.   I don't want to take this further, but there are many things which put my radar up.  The trouble is that it's really hard to get to the truth and/or enforce. 

    I know I will be working on a "team" to enter these tournaments.  We don't collude, cheat or expose hole cards to each other -- just team play.  Scouting reports on players, chat about who you just bluffed, who's a fish etc. etc.  One guy gets deep and he's got four others who can help.  It seems like a pretty reasonable way to improve the EV.

    Carplayer also talks about sharing %'ages or multiple horses in one B&M tournament and how that affects the game.  It seems like there's a mult-billion dollar bet that's on the line and something will give.  Not sure what/how, but this is very scary.

    Cheers
    Magi
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    I know I will be working on a "team" to enter these tournaments. We don't collude, cheat or expose hole cards to each other -- just team play. Scouting reports on players, chat about who you just bluffed, who's a fish etc. etc. One guy gets deep and he's got four others who can help.

    Awesome. You can wear your pajamas, comb eachothers hair, eat chocolates and giggle about boys too!
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    magithighs wrote:

    One guy gets deep and he's got four others who can help.

    I think you cross-posted this from your "other" forum.
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