How much to expect to win in 10-20?

luckystrike

Just curious how much should be an expected winning in 10-20 limit? That saying, playing tight, and pot odds calls as opposed to fun time gut shot calls.

I usually play 5-10 and pull $200 and that seems pretty good but wanna move up as bank roll is going up.

Unknown

ummmmmmmmm, as much as possible.

I can only speak from my own limited experience, but one big bet an hour sounds pretty good.

If you were to run as good at 10 20 as you have at 5-10 you'd be seeing around 20 big bets a session, or 400 bucks. I don't think this is likely since the players you encounter will be that much better. My advice for now would be to keep playing the 5-10 since you are apparently killing it. Pad your roll to it's maximum before taking a shot.

Shtebs

The standard for any limit cash game is one big bet an hour. If you are up an average of $20 an hour then you're doing well (In reality you're making $30 because there's a $10 an hour session fee).

Steve

luckystrike

sorry for not being specific, i mean my max usually is around 200, and sometimes 300-350, I haven't kept track but I definately dont' win 200 all the time, sometimes 100, sometimes break even... but winning... just looking to start moving up and what to expect, i remember soemone said 10-20 is more loose then 5-10, seems odd? alot of rich old fishes maybe?

Hork42

There are so many factors involved here that predicting winrate is not possible to do. As others have said, the standard winrate is that is discussed is 1 BB/hr. If you are averaging much over this, there is either something in your game that is causing this, or you have not played enough poker for the variance to even out. (the fact that you haven't said you've had any losing sessions, only BigWin, LittleWin, BreakEven suggests to me that you haven't played enough or you aren't reporting your complete results... even the best players have losing sessions sometimes.)

Only suggestion is to give the 10-20 game a shot and see how you do, because I don't think the game is going to be that drastically different... But only do this if your bankroll can support the jump up. And don't be too proud to move back down if you need to.

magithighs

There isn't anyone grinding out a living at 5/10.  However, there are many that do just that at 10/20.  So, you will get more experienced players at 10/20 who are winning players.  More experienced, and winning doesn't mean they are good players.  However, they can, and do beat the game.  

Also 10/20 is a limit where higher limit players 20/40 and above will play while waiting for the bigger games.  They will also play the 10/20 if they are running bad in the bigger game.  These players can beat the 10/20 game.

Finally, there are a bunch of casual players who are good and can beat the 10/20 game.  These may be the Internet players from this forum, or others who are good but don't go out to play that often.

That being said, 10/20 is the spot where most of the "easy money" lies.  These are the casual players who come in and blow off some steam, or just looking to gamble it up.  There are more than enough of these to support all the other winning players.  

The game has an extremely wide range of skills makes it a difficult game with wild swings.  You can expect to win 70BB now and then, but the downswings can be brutal.  If you never tilt, you can do well.  I would say a 2BB/100 hands at 5/10 online can translate into 2BB/hr at 10/20 B&M -- 1BB/100 at 5/10 online can translate into 1BB/hr at 10/20 B&M.

However, you will need to put in at least 300 hours to rely on your results.

Cheers
Magi

SocietyRed

magithighs wrote:

There isn't anyone grinding out a living at 5/10.  However, there are many that do just that at 10/20.  So, you will get more experienced players at 10/20 who are winning players.  More experienced, and winning doesn't mean they are good players.  However, they can, and do beat the game.  

Also 10/20 is a limit where higher limit players 20/40 and above will play while waiting for the bigger games.  They will also play the 10/20 if they are running bad in the bigger game.  These players can beat the 10/20 game.

Finally, there are a bunch of casual players who are good and can beat the 10/20 game.  These may be the Internet players from this forum, or others who are good but don't go out to play that often.

That being said, 10/20 is the spot where most of the "easy money" lies.  These are the casual players who come in and blow off some steam, or just looking to gamble it up.  There are more than enough of these to support all the other winning players.  

The game has an extremely wide range of skills makes it a difficult game with wild swings.  You can expect to win 70BB now and then, but the downswings can be brutal.  If you never tilt, you can do well.  I would say a 2BB/100 hands at 5/10 online can translate into 2BB/hr at 10/20 B&M -- 1BB/100 at 5/10 online can translate into 1BB/hr at 10/20 B&M.

However, you will need to put in at least 300 hours to rely on your results.

Cheers
Magi

Have you ever played 10/20 at Fallsview? Highest I played there is 6/12 and did very well in a dozen or sessions.
Just wondering what your thoughts about Fallsview 10/20 are. For that matter BCC as well since I've never played there.

magithighs

SocietyRed wrote:

Have you ever played 10/20 at Fallsview? Highest I played there is 6/12 and did very well in a dozen or sessions.
Just wondering what your thoughts about Fallsview 10/20 are. For that matter BCC as well since I've never played there.

Haven't visited Fallsview, but I would expect the same "types" of players which are in the 10/20 BCC game. I would treat 6/12 as the 5/10 game at BCC.

Cheers
Magi

ComaU

Brantford is now getting to be a pretty old casino and in need of renovation. If you look at the carpet throughout the casino it is covered in paint that has chipped off the walls and celing.
Some brilliant casino exec came up with the idea for a program where the regular players can have a 10% discount on food each time they eat some. This program has made the games in
Brantford very good.

In all seriousness the game is VERY beatable. I have logged a ton of hours in that casino at that level and for a winning online player at 5/10 it would be dead easy.

None of the above was meant as an insult to any of the regular players that post here. Im sure if you are posting and reading this forum you are light years ahead of these donkeys.

Magi is right though about finding a lot of players that are beating the game for a living. This isnt too much to worry about since the donkeys far out number the sharks.

GL in the move up! Dont be afraid to drop down if it doesnt work out for you. Taking shots at a higher limit with a decent bankroll is important if you want to make a bunch of money at this game.

ReefAquarium

luckystrike wrote:

Just curious how much should be an expected winning in 10-20 limit? That saying, playing tight, and pot odds calls as opposed to fun time gut shot calls.

I usually play 5-10 and pull $200 and that seems pretty good but wanna move up as bank roll is going up.

Start recording your wins/losses and hours.
Figure out your hourly rate.
Calculate your standard deviation.
Don't consider a move up until you can prove you have a 95 to 99% chance that you are a winning player at 5/10.