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83 of 115 after an ungodly number of days.
Heck, I'll even include a hand for discussion..
! Table e8, Hand 167, Day 155
! Chuck Thompson folds
! Charlie M. folds
! Paul Rotering folds
! Chris Rojas folds
! hopper folds
! BBC Z is next to act, $12000 to call
! Unlimited raises
! Pot size: $43000
! Next timeout set for Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:07 PST
! Betting round: 1
! Board: ? ? ? ? ?
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|#| Name |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
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1| Chuck Thompson | 186000 | 500 |folded| | |
2| Charlie M. | 51300 | 500 |folded| | |
3| Paul Rotering | 23475 | 500 |folded| | |
4|D Chris Rojas | 178650 | 500 |folded| | |
5| hopper | 52500 | 2500 |folded| | |
6|> BBC Z | 46250 | 4500 | | | |
7| Barton Finchley | 263300 | 16500 | | | |
8| craigvdf | 111875 | 500 |folded| | |
9| Aaron Sherman | 18325 | 16500 | | | |
10| Melissa Norton | 102950 | 500 |folded| | |
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I'm in the BB with 66. This was a recently drawn table with about 2 hands of prior history.
Barton Open raises to 16500 UTG. I looked at his history and saw nothing that tells me he does this with anything less that 99+, AJ+. I've also found that he'll call practically any all-in that isn't a signficant number of chips, so fold equity == 0.
Aaron calls(??) for some reason. I didnt bother looking at his history since I had him covered. His call is bizarre because it seems like he should push, so it made me think he has a better than average hand.
Folded to me in the big blind. If anyone does checking of prior hands, they're going to see that I'm willing to dance with low pocket pairs and AJ+.
Now, the antes are $500, the blinds are $2000/$4000 and I have 46K in chips.
Whats your move?
Call, Raise or Fold?
83 of 115 after an ungodly number of days.
Heck, I'll even include a hand for discussion..
! Table e8, Hand 167, Day 155
! Chuck Thompson folds
! Charlie M. folds
! Paul Rotering folds
! Chris Rojas folds
! hopper folds
! BBC Z is next to act, $12000 to call
! Unlimited raises
! Pot size: $43000
! Next timeout set for Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:07 PST
! Betting round: 1
! Board: ? ? ? ? ?
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|#| Name |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
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1| Chuck Thompson | 186000 | 500 |folded| | |
2| Charlie M. | 51300 | 500 |folded| | |
3| Paul Rotering | 23475 | 500 |folded| | |
4|D Chris Rojas | 178650 | 500 |folded| | |
5| hopper | 52500 | 2500 |folded| | |
6|> BBC Z | 46250 | 4500 | | | |
7| Barton Finchley | 263300 | 16500 | | | |
8| craigvdf | 111875 | 500 |folded| | |
9| Aaron Sherman | 18325 | 16500 | | | |
10| Melissa Norton | 102950 | 500 |folded| | |
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I'm in the BB with 66. This was a recently drawn table with about 2 hands of prior history.
Barton Open raises to 16500 UTG. I looked at his history and saw nothing that tells me he does this with anything less that 99+, AJ+. I've also found that he'll call practically any all-in that isn't a signficant number of chips, so fold equity == 0.
Aaron calls(??) for some reason. I didnt bother looking at his history since I had him covered. His call is bizarre because it seems like he should push, so it made me think he has a better than average hand.
Folded to me in the big blind. If anyone does checking of prior hands, they're going to see that I'm willing to dance with low pocket pairs and AJ+.
Now, the antes are $500, the blinds are $2000/$4000 and I have 46K in chips.
Whats your move?
Call, Raise or Fold?
Comments
I'm not sure that you have enough chips to fold this hand, even though you're almost certainly getting called. You can only survive 4 more laps, calling will leave you with just under 3. If he has a pair you're dominated, but if he has Ax you're a coin-flip. I also don't see any point in moving all-in since you're getting called anyway. Personally, I'd flat-call and simply push if there's no Ace. If an A hits, his entire range has you beat, so you can pick another spot (in the next lap
IMO, you have a real good read on the fact that Aaron is trying to hide his strength by simply calling and hoping to get another unobservant player along. You're likely beat by him, so your 3.5-1 pot odds are no good if you only have 2 outs.
Now the question is do you push to try to win the side pot over Barton, and again the answer is no, because as your research shows, he's likely to be ahead already, and if not it's a race situation for even money, which you want no part of.
You'll find a better spot to get it all in with, hopefully within the next orbit or two.
Anyway, this hand generated quite a debate between hork and I. I thought it was an easy fold against the range of hands I had put my opponent on. He countered with two points:
1) You could go for the stop-and-go. Call the bet and then push any non-ace or 6 flop.
2) The tournament has been running for around 170/person on average. Can I really limit villians range as tightly as I was?
For Point #1, my argument was that the number of chips I had left after the call wouldn't really disseude a call from missed overcard, but I give my opponent a free look at busting me if he catches a pair > 6. Theres no way he'll fold a pair of 7's of better given those pot odds. So my equity edge seems thin in this scenario.
Point 2 was a good one. Given that I've only seen Barton showdown maybe 10-12 hands, how tight can my hand range really be? I can't say I have much of a response to this one other than "You have to work with the information you are given".
So I found it interesting that ScoobyD managed to have the debate over how to play the hand with himself and hit on all the major points hork & I came up with.
Oh also, in general we seem to have lost all the aggressive psycho's in the tournament and the ante/blind structure increase the value of steals and what they mean to a stack. So when you combine the two (tighter opponents and bigger Steal EV) I wasn't dying to play the hand.
So, I took the chicken route and folded because I thought 1) That I can steal down the road in another spot and 2) That I may get a better spot to push all-in with.
Barton showed AKo and Aaron shows AJo.
That AJo confused me a lot.
Of course, a 6 hit the flop, but thats just result oriented BS :-)
Congrats on nearly tripling up Hork!
I checked out the link, and I can't make any sense of it.
Cheers
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