hand from July 2005 for analysis

ConfusedONEConfusedONE
in Online Poker
: Holdem Multi Normal Tournament  No Limit $600 [ 2005-07-17 ]
*** ANTE [dealer 2] ***
Seat 4 - DONUT $5440 in chips
Seat 6 - FATTY $15356.66 in chips
Seat 7 - HERO $17640 in chips
Seat 8 - BILLYBETS $2570 in chips
Seat 9 - VILLAIN $28125 in chips
Seat 1 - DICK $42535 in chips
Seat 2 - ARRON $4183.34 in chips
DICK - Ante $100
ARRON - Ante $100
DONUT - Ante $100
FATTY - Ante $100
HERO - Ante $100
BILLYBETS - Ante $100
VILLAIN - Ante $100
DONUT - Post small blind $600
FATTY - Post big blind $1200
HERO - Pocket [ :ac, :qc]
HERO- Raises $1200 to $2400
BILLYBETS - Folds
VILLAIN - Calls $2400
DICK - Calls $2400
ARRON - Folds
DONUT - Folds
FATTY - Folds
*** FLOP [ :jh :9c :8c] ***
HERO- Bets $1200
VILLAIN - Calls $1200
DICK - Folds
*** TURN [:jh :9c :8c :qs ] ***
HERO - Checks
VILLAIN - Bets $1200
HERO - Raises $1200 to $2400
VILLAIN - Raises $1200 to $4800
HERO - Calls $2400
*** RIVER [:jh :9c :8c :qs :js ] ***
HERO - Checks
VILLAIN - Bets $9600
HERO - Folds
VILLAIN - returned ($9600) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VILLAIN - Show cards [:jc :10c]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($21700)
Board [Jh,9c,8c,Qs,Js]
DICK - Folded on the FLOP
ARRON - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
DONUT - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
FATTY - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
HERO - Folded on the RIVER
BILLYBETS - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
VILLAIN - Total ($21700) HI:($21700)Straight, eight to queen [Jc,10c -
B:Qs,B:Js,P:10c,B:9c,B:8c]

pls don't be too hard on me  :fish:

Comments

  • BBC ZBBC Z
    Welcome back.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Holy shit. It's CO. WELCOME BACK BUDDY... been a while.
  • stpboystpboy
    Welcome back is right, one of the original members....

    Where ya bin?

    stp
  • ScoobyDScoobyD
    I love how the forum is too awestruck to even respond to the post. Now THAT'S celebrity status!

    As far as the hand:

    Preflop:

    I hate doubling the blinds, I think I'd have been inclined to make it 3600 to go.

    Flop: Given there's already a fairly sizeable pot in there and you've flopped such a favourable draw, I'm not 100% sure what play I like here. I don't hate pushing, but I think I like the C/R allin. The bet screams strength and should get some fold equity, and if they call you've got a ton of outs even against a hand as strong as a set (12 outs with flush draw + gutshot). Against a top pair type hand, your overcards give you even more outs. I can't see all my chips NOT going in on this flop.

    Turn: Ugly card given villain peeled one. I think I would have been inclined to take the cheap draw at the flush on the turn rather than get into a limit raising war there. The 4 card straight is scary, especially with villain peeling the cheap flop bet. Villian didn't realize how vulnerable his hand was, and could have paid dearly if a club fell (other than the 7c).

    River: The board pairing and the 4 card straight on the river is ugly. I don't see much you're beating. I think I fold, but I guess the tough part is that you've dumped close to half your stack in the pot already. Tough hand.
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    WOW. Welcome back C1!

    :wav: :2c :9c :kh :kh :9s :wav: :bs: :bs: :bs: :D:D:D:D:rage::rage::rage::rage::D:D:D:D :c: :s: :c: :s: :c:

    As for the hand, I mostly agree with Scooby's assessment.

    Re-opening the action on the turn with a check-raise for the minimum amount is too much high risk/low reward IMO. The turn card, though it improves your hand, is real ugly. After you check, your opponent makes a bet which is small enough that you even have immediate pot odds to draw to 9 outs. I'd take the cheap river card here. (It turns out that you actually have only 5 outs, but this is unlikely enough to discount in the hand analysis.)

    On the actual river, I think this is a nice fold facing a pot that has gotten fairly big.

    After all the min-betting and min-raising, I think that your opponent is actually the one with the tough decision on the river. Although you having a full house is made less likely given that one of the remaining Jacks is accounted for, this is still a high-card paired board. I'd even consider checking behind with the straight on the end, not because I think my hand is no good, but because it would seem to be rarely good if called.

    ScottyZ
  • ol-stone-faceol-stone-face
    C :D nfused :D ne

    C :D:D l, does this mean we will be seeing new emoticons soon? :D
  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    all_aces wrote:
    Holy shit.  It's CO.  WELCOME BACK BUDDY... been a while.
    thx AA, yep it's been a while :D
  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    stpboy wrote:
    Welcome back is right, one of the original members....

    Where ya bin?

    stp
    took a break from poker, trying to do some reading but
    apparently I'm that slow

    getting ready to read some amazing wsop 2006 trip reports from all_aces and dave
    am i too early?
    and other trip reports frm pokerforum elite members like yourself
  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    ol-stone-face wrote:
    C :D nfused  :D ne

    C :D:D l, does this mean we will be seeing new emoticons soon?      :D

    hard to say cuz old habits are hard to break or not?
  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    if i was able to replay this hand today i think i would raise to 4800 preflop
    and move in on the flop

    what do you guys think?

    IIRC, i played pretty tight up to this point
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    ConfusedONE wrote:
    if i was able to replay this hand today i think i would raise to 4800 preflop
    and move in on the flop

    what do you guys think?

    IIRC, i played pretty tight up to this point



    That sounds like a reasonable way to play it.

    The exact pre-flop bet size is a little on the high side, but it's certainly not crazy. I find that something between 3,000 and 4,000 is usually enough to "get the job done", as Dave S might say. :)

    ScottyZ
  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    anyone else care to give me some feedback?

    thx,
    CO
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