Stud hi/lo variance

I'm finding I'm going up and down alot playing stud on Party. Is there higher variance than LLHE or am I just a fish. And a quick question, I'm capping streets with about 4 people in the pot when I have a strong draw to the hi and lo with 2 or 3 cards to come, and I'm getting totally burned right now as nothings hitting in those situations (theres never more than 2 dead suits and few low cards are out). Should I be doing this or waiting until I hit one or both draws? I'm pretty sure I should be as it seems like the same thing as value raising a flush draw in LHE, I'm just being affected by my results. But if I'm wrong please let me know.

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  • In general, split pot games will have a lower variance than non-split pot games...

    post some hands...
  • post some hands...

    Haha, no I refuse to post for fear of looking like a complete idiot. I'm winning overall at Stud, but I'm definately still learning alot and I'm probably only winning because other people have absolutely NO clue how to play.

    And besides, right now I'm sick of reading hand histories. I don't want to be anywhere near them for a while.
  • Tood Brunson claims there is less variance as well for a good player. I've had some decent swings but probably not as bad as in holdem, though I've hardly played enough hands to really have a good idea.
  • I play stud8 and O8 roughly 4-6 times a month (live) at limits 4 8 with 1/2 kill and 15 30, definitely much less variance than holdem. You can PM me if you want some advice.
  • zero wrote:
    post some hands...

    Haha, no I refuse to post for fear of looking like a complete idiot. I'm winning overall at Stud, but I'm definitely still learning alot and I'm probably only winning because other people have absolutely NO clue how to play.

    And besides, right now I'm sick of reading hand histories. I don't want to be anywhere near them for a while.

    Drop your pants and post the hands, otherwise how can people answer your question?  Maybe you post them, people say "well played" and you chalk it up to being unlucky.
    If you can post your question last week about whether you can use different cards for hi and lo, you can post anything.

    We are all here to learn, and I think there's some help here if you throw some of those capped hands with 2-3 cards to come up here and let them dissect them.

    That, or just keep throwing away your chips to those "fish" you always post about.
  • Drop your pants and post the hands, otherwise how can people answer your question? Maybe you post them, people say "well played" and you chalk it up to being unlucky.
    If you can post your question last week about whether you can use different cards for hi and lo, you can post anything.

    We are all here to learn, and I think there's some help here if you throw some of those capped hands with 2-3 cards to come up here and let them dissect them.

    That, or just keep throwing away your chips to those "fish" you always post about.

    Wow, welcome to the forum Wolffhound.

    Anyway, he's right. Thinking you aren't playing correctly and refusing to post hands is stupid.
  • Are the hand histories listed in another thread I haven't seen?
  • Maybe theres something wrong with your reading comprehension, but I clearly said that I'm not posting any hand histories for now, whether they be stud or hold'em. If you want to help me when I do decide to post hands great, but don't bother me about it when I've already said that I'm not doing that right now.
  • I don't know what limits you're playing but if it's .50/1.00 Party's .25 ante is five times what it should be. If you're not playing to scoop or take 3/4 of the pot it'll be tough to come out ahead. By the time you make a hand, you've put so much in antes in that you'll barely be coming out ahead.
  • mcksmith wrote:
    I don't know what limits you're playing but if it's .50/1.00 Party's .25 ante is five times what it should be. If you're not playing to scoop or take 3/4 of the pot it'll be tough to come out ahead. By the time you make a hand, you've put so much in antes in that you'll barely be coming out ahead.

    That is the limit I'm playing and I did notice that recently. I've to only playing stud at Stars where they have a 5 cent ante.
  • mcksmith wrote:
    I don't know what limits you're playing but if it's .50/1.00 Party's .25 ante is five times what it should be. If you're not playing to scoop or take 3/4 of the pot it'll be tough to come out ahead. By the time you make a hand, you've put so much in antes in that you'll barely be coming out ahead.

    Actually, an abnormally high ante dictates that you must play more loosely than is typical. This is directly out of ToP. That would mean that you are going to have to play more hands (including more one-way hands) than you usually would, particularly on a non-completed 3rd street.

    Of course, changing to a game with a more standard ante works too. :)

    The high ante at Party Poker actually causes any opponents who would be playing too loose anyway (gasp!) to be playing more correctly than if the ante were typical, especially on 3rd street.

    ScottyZ
  • ScottyZ wrote:
    Actually, an abnormally high ante dictates that you must play more loosely than is typical. This is directly out of ToP. That would mean that you are going to have to play more hands (including more one-way hands) than you usually would, particularly on a non-completed 3rd street.

    I guess it's time for me to re-read ToP again (especially since it was the first poker book I ever read .. I'd probably get more out of it now). But I'm assuming that if you're in a game where you have to play more loosely (and your opponents are doing the same) that you would have a higher variance since everyone's playing more hands? Especially if you're new to the game (like me)?
  • But I'm assuming that if you're in a game where you have to play more loosely (and your opponents are doing the same) that you would have a higher variance since everyone's playing more hands

    Absolutely. You can generally expect a higher ante game to exhibit more variance than a standard ante game at the same betting imits.

    The major factor which increases your own variance would be you playing more hands than usual yourself, but your opponents' playing loosely contributes to this effect also.

    ScottyZ
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