TT dilemma

I am second-guessing myself over this particular hand in these particular circumstances.  Any feedback is appreciated.

Played a live 12-person SNG at my bro's house on the weekend.  $20 buy-in + $10 rebuys... so it was for fun, pretty much.  Players ranged from the very good to the completely clueless.

7 players left.  3 get paid.  I am above average with about 3,900 playing 125/250 blinds. 

I am dealt TT in the BB.

UTG limps.  She has a stack of about 1600 and has been playing good cards, from what I've seen.

MP moves all-in for about 1500.  He is one of the better players at the table, but hasn't been playing many hands.  If I had to guess, I'd guess that he was, in a word, frustrated.

LP thinks for a while, counts out his chips.  He has about 2600.  It is important to note that he is by far the most inexperienced player at the table.  We started with 2 tables of 6.  I was at his table of 6.  I saw him limp from various positions with hands like K3o, T5o, etc.  When I saw him raise big at the 6-handed table, I was shown Ad9d. 

Eventually LP calls the 1500.  I was seriously considering what to do.  While I was thinking, he laughs and says to his friend next to him "You won't believe what I called with".  I was certain it was not said for my benefit.

What's your play here?

Comments

  • I hate 10 10 ... I would fold. Ahh.. who am I kidding, I'd be pushing over the top - Harrington squeeze play and all that (if I think there's a CHANCE this guy would fold - doesn't sound like it though)

    If the "good" player is about to go out, you're okay with that, if the donk is still there, then you can beat him. Also, 10-10 is horrible horrible horrible. The one guy with 1500 has an M of 3ish, so he'll push with a lot, the donk isn't aware of any of that, but he should be looking at pushing too. Your M is a little higher, just under 10. I think you can get away from this, but if you just call, see the flop, and decide then, that may not be so bad either (hopefully donk-boy knows not to bet into a side pot).

    Mark

    P.S. he raised with A9 suited eh? When did you start to play with beanie42?
  • Am I missing something? I don't get why you don't figure you have by far the best of it and just push in.
  • The creepiest thing just happened..

    I'm sitting here, replying to Devin, I look up, and see... Devin.

    Damned Poker Night Live... I didn't realize this was a test that you were moderating for cryin out loud!

    Mark
  • I'm with Watts in pushing, but flat calling and hopefully the other guy will check it down.
  • I would never just call here. I would either move all-in in order to shut out the UTG limper if I actually decided to play the hand, or fold.

    I'd be inclined to move all-in, but I think it's a close decision.

    I guess I think it's close because I've just typed and deleted "I'd be inclined to <fold|move all-in>" about 5 times now, alternating between the two choices. :cool:

    ScottyZ
  • I'd fold. I'd have to figure that although you probably have the best hand right now, they probably both have overcards to you and one of them is bound to hit. Counting on the other to check it down ir risky and something that I generally don't like relying on.
  • I think no matter what you do here the LP is going to call. So you'll be up against two players. I think pushing may be the right move to get the limper out. Calling would be a mistake.
  • Seeing as you have the others out chipped. Push all in to squeeze the loose player out of the pot. In this situation I would have to believe I have the best hand.

    I this a bad beat story?
  • SirWatts wrote:
    Am I missing something?  I don't get why you don't figure you have by far the best of it and just push in.

    Hmmm... I don't think it's that easy.  Granted, the circumstances are strange, but I'm not used to being the third player (technically fourth) in a very big pot holding TT unless I'm shortstacked.
    ScottyZ wrote:
    I would never just call here. I would either move all-in in order to shut out the UTG limper if I actually decided to play the hand, or fold.

    Calling/moving in won't make a difference to the UTG limper, as she has only enough chips to call the original all-in bet.
    Dead Money wrote:
    I this a bad beat story?

    Nope!  Just a weird situation.
  • OK I guess the UTG limper is a little scary I forgot about her but you still figure to have the other 2 beat by enough on average that I'm not that worried about her.
  • If it weren't for what LP said, I'd probably fold. But, in this case, I'd likely move all-in here if you think that LP's being honest.

    You've probably got a serious edge on LP which means you may lose the main pot, but still win the side pot and remain about even. If things work really well (Especially if more than one person is on an Ace), then there's a good chance you'll bust multiple people and have a massive stack for the end game.

    If you get completely beat, you're still left with 1,300 and are about to get a few free hands.
  • I Fold
    I hate 1010 JJ even QQ against 2 opponents and possibly 3.
    Classic case of either being a huge dog or slight favorite......ESPECIALLY with 2 opponents allready in the pot and 1 left to act that may have done the "limp with monster dance". Someone is going out or is going to be very short stacked after this hand.
    You have a stack + brains = win.
    I can understand why this looks good.....MP has something like A8. LP has anything.....from his comment i would put him on 89s to 22 i dont think anything higher.
    The problem is the EP limp.......is she capable of limping with a monster? I dont know, if she has done it before than I can easily laydown.
  • Great comments so far... I'm glad to see that there isn't one strong vote for either folding or playing the hand.

    I'll post the results shortly... just waiting to see if anyone else wants to share their thoughts, maybe guess at some of the holdings, etc.

    And wader, I hadn't seen UTG do the old limp/re-raise play, but that doesn't rule out the possibility.
  • Raise all in. i think you're ahead, plus you've got chips left over just in case you're not ahead.
  • After LP's comment, I thought a lot more.  And then I thought, even if he has a sub-optimal hand, I am taking TT against 2 and possibly three opponents.  That is, in my mind, not good poker.  I didn't need to chip up (although it never hurts) in this relatively soft field.

    UTG called the all-in.

    MP had J8s.

    LP had 57s.

    UTG had AJo.

    AJ won, and UTG tripled up.  My TT would have been good... one of the tens used to make a straight or a flush or something after a jack-high flop.

    I ended up taking 2nd place.  My opponent was not involved in that TT hand, we entered HU play relatively even in chips, and he beat my KK with his small suited clubs after flopping a four flush, moving in, and hitting a club on the river.
  • I would have folded. YOu may have a positive EV spot, but it's going to be close. With lots of chips I prefer not to gamble here.
  • I just had to add one more thing to consider is, can the UTG fold if you push?
  • I probably would have folded I hate being the 3rd man in unless I got a monster like AA, KK.
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