Does anyone know the ruling on this??
I really strange situation happened last night at my home game.
After a preflop raise, only two people remained in the hand.
The flop came down 25Q. Check,bet,all-in, call. One player had KK the other Q9.
Now here's where everything went wrong. While the players were counting out their chips to see who had more, the person next to the dealer (who was going to deal the next hand) was taking in all the dish cards, in the process, he pulled in the flop cards and mixed them with the muck. I guess the dealer also forgot, because he proceded to deal another flop.
this one was 89A
At this time the players in the hand realized that a new flop hit. Everybody was confused at what happened, so after we figured out what took place, we tryed to solve this the fairest way.
Beause the 2nd flop had a 9 in it, if the dealer burned another card before the "2nd" flop then the 9 would be the burned card and the KK would have won. But if he didn't burn a card before the 2nd flop then the 9 would have hit and the Q9 would have won. Again, through all the confusion the dealer could not remember if he burned another card, and the idiot next to the dealer had all the cards mixed up so we couldnt count and find out.
What we decided to do was to leave the original flop out, shuffle up the rest of the cards. and then do a turn and river. We just thought it was the fairest thign to do for both people involved.
Does anybody know the official ruling on this type of situation when the flop or any of the community cards gets mucked while betting is ongoing. Is it a mis-deal?? Do a new flop take place?? I dont even know if there is a rule, cause something like this dont happen too often.
Any help would be great.
After a preflop raise, only two people remained in the hand.
The flop came down 25Q. Check,bet,all-in, call. One player had KK the other Q9.
Now here's where everything went wrong. While the players were counting out their chips to see who had more, the person next to the dealer (who was going to deal the next hand) was taking in all the dish cards, in the process, he pulled in the flop cards and mixed them with the muck. I guess the dealer also forgot, because he proceded to deal another flop.
this one was 89A
At this time the players in the hand realized that a new flop hit. Everybody was confused at what happened, so after we figured out what took place, we tryed to solve this the fairest way.
Beause the 2nd flop had a 9 in it, if the dealer burned another card before the "2nd" flop then the 9 would be the burned card and the KK would have won. But if he didn't burn a card before the 2nd flop then the 9 would have hit and the Q9 would have won. Again, through all the confusion the dealer could not remember if he burned another card, and the idiot next to the dealer had all the cards mixed up so we couldnt count and find out.
What we decided to do was to leave the original flop out, shuffle up the rest of the cards. and then do a turn and river. We just thought it was the fairest thign to do for both people involved.
Does anybody know the official ruling on this type of situation when the flop or any of the community cards gets mucked while betting is ongoing. Is it a mis-deal?? Do a new flop take place?? I dont even know if there is a rule, cause something like this dont happen too often.
Any help would be great.
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People pick on me so much in my home games because I am so picky about the details of how hands are dealt, there chips are placed, etc. They give me such a hard time about being so proper, but I must say that I have never had a situation even close to this at home game because of it. (Unfortunately if I am involved in the hand, apparently my level of intensity with this kind of clean up gives away the strength of my hand)
A couple of tips from my personal experience:
1. Collect the folded cards into a nice organized muck. The smaller the table, the neater this has to be. This goes for every round of betting, not just pre-flop.
2. Push all called bets into an organized pot. I also see where people leave every bet in front of them, this also works, but gets confusing and you have to cound a lot sometime if you don't call with the same stacks/colours.
3. Do not put the burn cards in the muck, but them somewhere else, perferrable under the edge of the pot so that all can clearly see if cards have been burned properly.
4. The dealer runs the hand and only the dealer. Too many hands in the middle makes for confusion. If something isn't right, tell the dealer how to make it right (side pots, etc). Everyone reaching into the middle can really mess things up.
We have a friendly game with a bunch of friends, mostly talk about the week, a very chatty game, and things can get confusing some times. This was just a case of people not paying attention.
But I would still like to know a ruling on it, just for curosity sake now.
From what I understand this is correct but I am surprised that you guys were able to remember the exact flop, good thing you did..
Does anybody think it should be a mis-deal from the start and replay the hand???
Absolutely not.
They made the correct play.