Did i mess this hand up?

$40 home game tourney, 2 tables of 9

Generally loose, weak, passive players (just the way i like 'em) except for one guy that has been sitting back and playing tight aggressive, and has about the same in chips that I do. (T1800)

We started with AT600 and the blinds started at 5/10, and doubled every 45 minutes.
About 2 hours in (Blinds are 20/40) I am in the small blind with :as :qs
MP (tight player [TP]) raises to 200. Folded to me

* he had been a bit of a rush at this point, and had raised 5 out of the last 8 hands*

I called. One other limper called

The Flop was :2s :4c :6s

I checked, although I would normally bet out on a flop like this, because it was unlikely that he hit, and because I am an aggressive player, however, I checked because the entire table had been calling me the school yard bully, and I thought that it was time to cool my jetsw for a little.

Limper checks, he bets out 400, 2/3 of the pot

I called, so I wasn't getting pot odds, but like I said he had been doing a lot of raising in the last few hands and thought that perhaps he was going on momentum. My other thought was that he raised with a mid-low PP and hit a set, in which case my nut flush draw could do a lot of damage if it hit.

limper folded.

pot is now up to 1400, I have 1200 left

Turn card is :10c

I check again, he insta-pushes, and leans back in his cjhair

i count out the call, and I have him covered, with 160 left over.


What should I have done? Did I make a mistake before this point?

I'll let you know the results when I get a few responses.

Something that should be noted is that this was the "reputation"player at this tourney, one that i had never been to before. I was told that he was always in the money, and I had been watching him play and he seemed to know what he was doing.

Comments

  • Although you might have wanted to bet out on the flop, you were probably going to get raised with your foe hitting his trips.  Checking on the turn was okay, and his pushin suggests he is very comfortable you missed your flush.  You missed it...time to fold.
  • Push the flop.
  • BBC Z wrote:
    Push the flop.

    Also raise preflop. You're out of position against any other limpers... take this hand down preflop.
  • Well, I did fold, face-up, hoping that he would show his set or high PP and make me feel good about folding.



    Nope, he flipps up his Ace-Jack off-suit.     :'(

    And then the guy who was dealing, not in this particular hand, just had to know what it would have been.












    :ts


    :'(:rage::'(:rage::'(:rage::'(:rage::'(:rage:


    I, being the obsessive person I am, just couldn't get over him showing this amazingly ballsy bluff. Didn't gett too many more chips until i went out holding KK against AK suited, all in preflop. He hit the river flush to make me dealer for the rest of the final table.
  • I don't mind the flat call preflop, but if you thought the raiser was getting out of line, a big reraise isn't bad either particularly because you're OOP and with a limper already in the pot, it's a decent pot to take down without any confrontation.

    I hate the flop call. I don't mind the check. I think I like a C/R allin after he makes his 2/3 size pot bet. His bet could be a big ace, and there's almost no way he can call a push unless he specifically thinks you're bluffing. And if he has an overpair you're still in good shape vs.77-JJ with 2 overs plus nut flush draw. Even against KK or QQ you still have 12 outs with 2 cards to come which puts you pretty close to even money (I think). Plus the big raise gives you plenty of fold equity.
  • CR all-in on the flop would be my standard line here if i just called. Reraising preflop is better I think given how active he has been.
  • I generally agree with the responses so far, but I would even strengthen the pre-flop suggestions.

    Against an opponent who has
    raised 5 out of the last 8 hands

    I think you simply must re-raise pre-flop with a hand as good as AQs.

    Exactly how much to re-raise is a good question, and it (partially) depends on what you think the limper is doing in the hand. Should you be worried about someone who limps into a pot where more than 50% of the previous 8 hands have been raised? Maybe, and especially if the limper is a crafty player. Of course, if the limper is mostly ABC, then limping probably means what it looks like it means.

    Making it around $600 pre-flop to go seems reasonable to me. So does moving all-in, even though it's a substantial overbet.

    Certainly AQs is no powerhouse in general, but against an out-of-line opponent it's more than enough hand to play back with.

    ScottyZ
  • reraise preflop, if i flat called preflop all in on the flop... basically the same as all the other responses.
  • $40 home game tourney, 2 tables of 9

    Generally loose, weak, passive players (just the way i like 'em) except for one guy that has been sitting back and playing tight aggressive, and has about the same in chips that I do. (T1800)

    Typical of most home games and low-limit casino game, I think.
    We started with AT600 and the blinds started at 5/10, and doubled every 45 minutes.
    About 2 hours in (Blinds are 20/40) I am in the small blind with As Qs

    MP (tight player [TP]) raises to 200. Folded to me

    * he had been a bit of a rush at this point, and had raised 5 out of the last 8 hands*

    I don't hate calling, but I think a re-raise is better now. A-Q will be hard to play out of position, on the flop, against a random hand. I prefer to take it now.

    I called. One other limper called

    The Flop was 2s 4c 6s
    I checked, although I would normally bet out on a flop like this, because it was unlikely that he hit, and because I am an aggressive player, however, I checked because the entire table had been calling me the school yard bully, and I thought that it was time to cool my jetsw for a little.

    Limper checks, he bets out 400, 2/3 of the pot

    I called, so I wasn't getting pot odds, but like I said he had been doing a lot of raising in the last few hands and thought that perhaps he was going on momentum. My other thought was that he raised with a mid-low PP and hit a set, in which case my nut flush draw could do a lot of damage if it hit.

    This seems to be a case of "switch think." If, before the flop, you think he has any two, then you have to figure that your A-Qs is the best hand. And, it probably is. I don't mind checking, but I do so with the intention of check raising.
    limper folded.

    pot is now up to 1400, I have 1200 left

    Turn card is Tc

    I check again, he insta-pushes, and leans back in his cjhair

    i count out the call, and I have him covered, with 160 left over.


    What should I have done? Did I make a mistake before this point?

    Pretty straight pot odds question. You are asked to call 1000 into 2400 (more or less). You have 9 nut outs and six other "possible outs" and you might have the best hand. It's close.

    I fold.

    Cursing myself for letting myself get into this position in the first place...
    Something that should be noted is that this was the "reputation"player at this tourney, one that i had never been to before. I was told that he was always in the money, and I had been watching him play and he seemed to know what he was doing.

    Doesn't change my thinking. He might be bluffing, but he might not be. The reputation means, I think, that he is capable of a big play. But, if he is (always in the money) then he is probably not too likely to blow off his chips on a straight bluff. He is too conservative. I still fold.
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