Can you have cheat sheets at the poker table?
Was watching "Showdown at the Sands" (by the way, this is on for two hours each night tonight, Thursday and Friday on Sportsnet).
The commentators were saying that one of the players was looking at an odds/probabilities sheet when deciding whether to call or not.
Also, on one of those WPT broadcasts, one of the players was reading a book at the table. (Probably not a poker book, but who knows?!)
Is this generally allowed in B&M casinos? For those of us with not-so-great memory skills that would be great!
Anybody tried this and was asked to stop?
Even seen guys with headphones on. If cheat sheets weren't allowed but Walkmans were, why not have a tape/CD on with poker tips/odds?
The commentators were saying that one of the players was looking at an odds/probabilities sheet when deciding whether to call or not.
Also, on one of those WPT broadcasts, one of the players was reading a book at the table. (Probably not a poker book, but who knows?!)
Is this generally allowed in B&M casinos? For those of us with not-so-great memory skills that would be great!
Anybody tried this and was asked to stop?
Even seen guys with headphones on. If cheat sheets weren't allowed but Walkmans were, why not have a tape/CD on with poker tips/odds?
Comments
Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I think it was the Cincinnati Kid that had the one guy who would always be working out probabilities with a pen and paper before his action, and I thought that was hilarious.
On a somewhat related topic, wtf was up with Hellmuth at this tournament?!? Man, NOBODY plays good enough for him, apparently. He had a beef with the way his opposition played practically every hand he was in! It was getting embarrassing to watch, even for Phil...
Regards,
all_aces
Re: Hellmuth whining; I loved it when he read TJ Cloutier's bluff correctly except that TJ forgot he had a spade and actually made a flush. And then he had a bad beat and got busted out of the tournament claiming there was no justice.... How about when he laid down his pair of queens on the river with the winning hand, got bluffed out. I think I've seen Hellmuth do this on other shows, and he's so proud of being able to lay down such strong hands, when in fact they were winners!
I am no big fan of Hellmuth's but IMO that was a GOOD fold. It was just a good bluff. The only way to avoid sometimes laying down the best hand is just to become a calling station and call with everything that has some remote chance of being good.
Keith
mite have been the same episode shown about 2 weeks ago :shock:
this is the 2003 Showdown at the Sands millions or something right? :shock:
Yeah that was it. It was on Sportsnet or something.
Keith
In Super System, Mike Caro talks about creating a loose and wild table image, to get the calling stations to call you even more than they usually would. He talks about cultivating this image:
Now THAT would be a good book to read at the table....
Keith
yay 4 Sportsnet
i only remember 3 peeps from that table Hellmuth, Kolo and Varkoyni's wife...cant remember her name... Ola or something? :?:
anyhoo...will try to catch it tomorrow
Folding trips is usually indicated on a highly co-ordinated board (like a 4-flush and 4-straight). I'll easily fold straights and flushes if I'm facing a lot of heat with trips on board. I'd have to give serious thought to folding quads when the board contains a 4-straight flush, Ten to King. (As long as there was no bad beat jackpot) 8)
ScottyZ
it was a good laydown. (it is so easy to be an armchair playerand say he should have called once you know that Wolfe was bluffing. It is much different to be sitting there at the table trying to play the hands.)
I believe Howard Lederer explained it the best. He said something like;
Phill will fold hands in that spot because he is confident in his abilities to play with a medium to large stack. He didnt want to call when he just wasnt sure he had the best hand and leave himself with a small stack. Helmuth felt he could still compete without winning that pot but would be in trouble if he called and lost, so he folded.
Basically this is Phil's view... "I'm a better player than you are... so why should I risk all my chips (or a large portion of them) on one hand where you may outdraw me? I will use my greater skill to outplay you over the course of many hands so that luck has less of a roll."
Phil is dead on with this mind set and that is why he has so much success in tounament play. Anyone can win one tounament... but you can't cash in hundreds of them by taking unneccessary chances!
Regards,
all_aces
I think that the problem was that he was read. He showed some weakness, making it a good bluffing opportunity.
Not only does it apply "more" to limit hold'em... it doesn't apply AT ALL to no limit (unless you are in the rare situation of facing a tiny bet into a big pot). It applies even less in a tournament. (the whole "chips change value" thing)
No. Against TJ he made a good read and was unlucky that TJ misread his hand. With the queens, he can really only beat a bluff, and if he doesn't have a read on the guy he is just guessing, and gambling too much of his stack.
Huh? There were two kings on the board. On the turn the board was KK9x. They were making the point that his opponent was drawing dead with JT because if he hit the Q for the straight it would give Phil the full house.
There is no minimum. Twice in my past 2 $5/$10 sessions I have folded a straight on the river to one bet when a third flush card came and my opponent VERY OBVIOUSLY had the flush.
I once was playing $5/$10 and on the river the board was KK44x. Three people were in. The betting was capped. I actually thought that there might be 2 people with kings and one person with 44. At the end, two people flipped over kings, and one person (the guy who capped it actually) flipped over a 4. He said, "I couldn't fold, I had a tight myself". In other words, the guy was clueless.
The moral: there IS no minumum hand that you can't fold. You fold when your opponent very obviously has you beat.
Keith