Another question for Terry, Lee or whomever

Ok here is another question for Lee, Terry or others. I've also posted this on another thread (if you think you're seeing double, YOU ARE!)

You're in a Casino and playing 1/2 NL and have been given a $100 marker from the Casino just so that you don't have to leave the table and go to the bank machine. You promptly build your stack back up to your initial buy-in ($200) and want to pay the Casino back right away. At the time, you are not in the hand. You take $100 off the table and hand it back to the pit boss, the person who gave the marker to you in the first place. The rest of the players begin to complain that "you are not allowed to take money off of the table unless you are leaving".

1) Are the players at the table correct?

2) Is this unethical?

3) Is this a rule that is a 'grey area', each Casino has its own rules regarding what they would do in this circumstance.

4) What would a fair compromise be in this case?

i) Have to leave the table for between 3-5 orbits
ii) Have to repost immediately
iii) There is no compromise, you can't do it!

I appreciate the responses in advance.

stp

Comments

  • IMO, you cannot do this. Imagine you borrowed the $100 from a friend who was not playing. You could not take chips off the table to pay him back right? The marker from the casino is a transaction that takes place "off the table". You need to take care of that transaction off the table. Once involved in a game, it does not matter to the other players, the dealer, or the house where the money came from. If you are playing table stakes, the only way to take money off the table is to cash out, put your name on the list (if there is one) and then buy in again. If there is no list, a usually wait time of 30 mins or 1 hour is implemented.
  • Shannon, in any casino I've played in either here or Vegas you cannot take any part of your buy-in or winnings off the table and continue playing, This is generally the rule both in limit or NL. Doesn't matter where the buyin came from, your pocket, a friend, other casino winnings, etc... Once it's on the table it stays there until you leave your seat and complete your session.
  • compuease wrote:
    Shannon, in any casino I've played in either here or Vegas you cannot take any part of your buy-in or winnings off the table and continue playing, This is generally the rule both in limit or NL. Doesn't matter where the buyin came from, your pocket, a friend, other casino winnings, etc...  Once it's on the table it stays there until you leave your seat and complete your session.

    Is this rule altered considering that the Casino has let me borrow this money? Do they have the right to ask for it back at any time during the game? I understand the rule if I was to have taken 'my own' money off of the table, I'm talking about the casinos money.

    stp
  • The casino will "loan" you money? Wow, they must consider you a good investment... So give us details, in what way/reason did they loan you money? I gotta hear this.... Will they loan me money?
    Stupid question.. They don't need to loan me money, they just take it from me...
  • stpboy wrote:
    Is this rule altered considering that the Casino has let me borrow this money?  Do they have the right to ask for it back at any time during the game?  I understand the rule if I was to have taken 'my own' money off of the table, I'm talking about the casinos money.

    Again, once you sit at a poker table and begin playing, your cash is in play and, according to table stakes rules, you cannot remove that cash until you are finished playing. Imagine it like this: the casino gives you a marker for $100. You bet that $100 chip on one hand of Blackjack. After you are dealt your first two cards and before the dealer gets his/her 2nd card, the casino asks for it's money back. You could not use that $100 chip to pay them back as that chip in "in play" and has not finished being wagered. The same goes for all of your buy-in on a poker table. Your money is "in play" until you finish wagering it, regardless of your +/-.
  • stpboy wrote:
    I understand the rule if I was to have taken 'my own' money off of the table, I'm talking about the casinos money.
    When it's on the table, it's YOUR money.
  • Hey guys,

    Sorry for the late reply, was away for a few days. A marker is the same as you buying in with your own cash, it actually is yours for 30 days or whatever arrangement you have with the Casino's credit office. Under no circumstances can that money leave the game until you are ready to call it a night. Have a successful New Year with only health, happiness and prosperity to everyone.

    Cheers,

    Lee
  • My answer: I know nothing about markers :)

    Happy New Year All!

    Pokerkid1215
  • I understand that you are not allowed to remove money from play once you sit down and play. But how come you are allowed to pay for drinks and tip waitresses with chips that are on the table. Isn't this similar to puting 5 bucks in your pocket every so often? Is the casino more leanient because it's going in their pockets and not yours? Just curious.

    Fd
  • Thanks to all for the answer(s). This happened to me at a Club and I was overturned after the fact by the table. I wasn't happy but I guess the correct ruling stood.

    Nice follow up question about the tips etc.

    stp
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