did I play this foolishly?

DrTyore

Okay

so i've played some OM8, but I'm still not 100% sure on what i should have done here... I think it's the right move, and in this case it obviously was!! However, is this an "all-in calling hand"? I mean, I had KK, and AK, and A2, with double suited.. this strikes me as one of the premiere hands in OM8, and wanted some feedback.

Mark

Seat 1: dodgem12000 ($6.40 in chips)
Seat 2: klonktomte ($23.25 in chips)
Seat 3: ihatework88 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 5: taylor106 ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 6: riverman777 ($39.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Huskers200 ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Blerg [KS,AD,2S,KD] ($29.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Cleaner20 ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 10: razoraprazor ($8.90 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
taylor106 posts blind ($0.25), riverman777 posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
Huskers200 folds, Blerg bets $1, Cleaner20 bets $3.50, razoraprazor calls $3.50, dodgem12000 folds, klonktomte folds, ihatework88 folds, taylor106 folds, riverman777 folds, Blerg bets $13.50, Cleaner20 calls $11 and is all-in, razoraprazor calls $5.40 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards QS,5D,7D ]


TURN [board cards QS,5D,7D,JC ]


RIVER [board cards QS,5D,7D,JC,9C ]


SHOWDOWN
Blerg shows [ KS,AD,2S,KD ]
Cleaner20 mucks cards [ 7C,4D,AH,2C ]
razoraprazor mucks cards [ 3D,10S,AC,QC ]
Blerg wins high $11.20, Blerg wins high $26.70.



SUMMARY
Dealer: ihatework88
Pot: $38.40, (including rake: $0.50)
dodgem12000, loses $0
klonktomte, loses $0
ihatework88, loses $0
taylor106, loses $0.25
riverman777, loses $0.25
Huskers200, loses $0
Blerg, bets $14.50, collects $37.90, net $23.40
Cleaner20, loses $14.50
razoraprazor, loses $8.90

BBC Z

O8's a postflop game. Preflop hands have small edges against eachother, so while you do have an edge you can get a better one on the flop.

If someone moved all-in in front of you, I'd call. I don't think I'd push the action by moving in myself though.

I mean, I had KK, and AK, and A2

Don't think of your O8 hands as individual holdem hands. You have to start thinking of them as a complete unit for 4 cards that work together. Seperating them out can trap you into thinking something like 789T or 7788 is good.

Chugs

While edges in O8 may be small, in general breaking up the hand into the relavenet working pieces is valuable.

I mean this hand had a high pair, additional high card value, was double suited, had an A2 on the low (no backup though) ... A hand that really has a great shot at scooping a pot or surviving on just the high.

Generally speaking i would be comfortable getting my chips in the middle against most players with that hand, if i had to do so pre-flop.

DrTyore

Chugs wrote:

While edges in O8 may be small, in general breaking up the hand into the relavenet working pieces is valuable.

I mean this hand had a high pair, additional high card value, was double suited, had an A2 on the low (no backup though) ...  A hand that really has a great shot at scooping a pot or surviving on just the high.

Generally speaking i would be comfortable getting my chips in the middle against most players with that hand, if i had to do so pre-flop.

Which was my general way of thinking...

  I know that something like A2 is of more value in OM8 than something like A-J or A-10 generally... I figured I had 2 or so diverse hands (AK / A2 / suited aces), and also one monster hand (KK) that can club someone down.  I don't know that you can ask for much more than that, except perhaps AA23 double suited... which to my understanding is the best hand in OM8.

Basically, I'm wondering if in the grand scheme of OM8, is this one of the top % of hands?

Mark



P.S. WTF was A-7-2-4 thinking? I meann, at least the other guy had a suited ace.... i think the best thing was the fact that I won this hand on my pocket K's....

DrTyore

BBC Z wrote:

If someone moved all-in in front of you, I'd call. I don't think I'd push the action by moving in myself though.

True... very few hands seem to be re-raising hands in OM8, unless you're very short stacked, and I obviously wasn't... however, if you look at the betting.... I raise the pot from UTG +1 (it's PL), get a re-raise and then one caller... .I"m thinking I'd rather have just one, so I push them both all in... only about 1/2 of my stack was in jeopardy at worst... and I had to figure they were negating one another to some degree, they're not likely to move without an ace each, and even if an ace hits, I have top kicker... means less in OM8, but hell, if there's a savant out there who knows the odds on this, please feel free to figure it out.



Mark

SirWatts

As far as I can tell the only hand you're behind is aces with a low card. Against a good player I think you need to be worried about AA2x for example, but in a low limit game you're probably ahead way more than you're behind so this looks fine. Some hot/cold odds for interests sake. You're a substabtial favourite:

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks 2s Ad Kd 131049 256222 231529 12249 0 36205 167655 0.478
7c 2c 4d Ah 27957 88691 400332 10977 61575 50987 167655 0.251
Ts Ac Qc 3d 83081 142838 354680 2482 53513 124240 4313 0.271

Some HU odds. Against just a low hand you're in good shape:

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kd 2d 179320 323596 166440 9964 0 39315 143556 0.580
Ac 4c 3h 2h 110373 166440 323596 9964 129358 0 143556 0.420

Against Aces with a low draw not so good:

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kd 2d 145868 175572 323452 976 144034 32598 5938 0.421
Ac 4c Ah 3h 223471 323452 175572 976 112585 128128 5938 0.579

Against AA2 you're in real bad shape:

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kd 2d 101042 167448 316383 16169 0 0 201224 0.378
8s Ac Ah 2h 181550 316383 167448 16169 51231 0 201224 0.622

You're even money against AA with no low draw:

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kd 2d 179250 179250 319736 1014 219642 0 0 0.506
Ts Ac Ah 9h 173024 319736 179250 1014 0 0 0 0.494

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