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wader

ATTENTION ALL FORUM USERS
Get into those hand histories and post some more hands. There is usually a couple new topics daily(this isnt enough) with around 100 views.

I need my fix.

Wader

Unknown

All right.

Here's a decision I was put to yesterday.

I was driving onto the 401, and had the choice between express and collectors.  Now, the highway sign said that express was moving slowly and that collectors was moving well.

So I thought, well, everyone's gonna read that, and go onto the collectors. (Level 1 thinking)

So, would I be better off going onto the express, if everyone else reads that sign and goes onto the collectors, thereby congesting the collectors MORE than the express lanes?  (Level 2 thinking)

Or, would everybody ELSE think that too, and go onto the collectors after all, knowing that most people would assume that most people would read the sign and do the opposite of what it recommends?  (Level 3 thinking)

What's your play here?

Any feedback appreciated, results to follow.

ScottyZ

Go with Level 4 thinking here.

Pull over to the shoulder, stop your car, get out, and start singing "Everybody Hurts".

ScottyZ

ScoobyD

Stay in the lane you're in if it's the slowest possible lane.  Everybody knows that it's scientifically proven that whatever lane you change to will become the slowest lane, hence STAYING in the slowest lane, will cause all the other idiots to move into another lane, hence making that lane the slowest possible lane, thus improving the relative speed of your lane.  If it's the fastest lane, then you should correspondingly seek the slowest lane by the same logic that the other idiots will try to invade your lane, making it the slowest.  

boxcard

I think this all depends on the limits your driving in, and how aggressive others around you are driving. What is your image? Do they see you as some old granny with your left turn signal on for the last five km, or do they see you as a maniac driving as fast as you can? Are they even paying attention to the road, or are they eating, tuning in the radio/changing a CD, reading the newspaper, shavng/putting on makeup, etc. If they aren't paying attention, higher level thinking is wasted on them. In that case you gotta stay on express.
You need to decide which way to go based on all the information you can see. Personally, I believe wearing sunglasses will help them from getting a read as to where you may be looking to go. This may help to prevent others from cutting you off making a move to change lanes to get ahead of the rest.
My advise after all of this is, if you are unsure what to do after all these considerations, go with your gut. Your experience driving these roads before will help you to make the better choice in the long run.

Unknown

Solid advice so far guys, thanks. I'll wait for a few more responses before I post the results.

BigChrisEl

all_aces wrote:

All right.

Here's a decision I was put to yesterday.

I was driving onto the 401, and had the choice between express and collectors.  Now, the highway sign said that express was moving slowly and that collectors was moving well.

So I thought, well, everyone's gonna read that, and go onto the collectors. (Level 1 thinking)

So, would I be better off going onto the express, if everyone else reads that sign and goes onto the collectors, thereby congesting the collectors MORE than the express lanes?  (Level 2 thinking)

Or, would everybody ELSE think that too, and go onto the collectors after all, knowing that most people would assume that most people would read the sign and do the opposite of what it recommends?  (Level 3 thinking)

What's your play here?

Any feedback appreciated, results to follow.

There is not enough information, we need to know what time was it when you were driving, were you going east or west, what is your lane position in relation to the other cars, and what is your lane image?

Unknown

BigChrisEl wrote:

There is not enough information, we need to know what time was it when you were driving, were you going east or west, what is your lane position in relation to the other cars, and what is your lane image?

Fair enough.

Time: about 3:00 pm on a Thursday afternoon.
Bearing: West
Lane position: I wasn't in a lane on the 401 yet, I was on the Allan about to get on the 401.
Lane image: tight aggressive

QueenNine

3:00 pm on a Thursday you shouldn't be taking the 401 anyway, East or West.

ScottyZ

MDSGuy wrote:

3:00 pm on a Thursday you shouldn't be taking the 401 anyway, East or West.

Now that's some good Level 4 thinking.

"So hold on........ hold onnnnnnnnnn........."

ScottyZ

ol-stone-face

Collectors all the way man.

(insert clever poker analogy here)

wader

Express your way home.
Your level two thinking here is deep enough. Your opponents are not capable of moving past level one thinking.
I suspect that this is the route you took.

pkrfce9

ol-stone-face wrote:

Collectors all the way man. 

(insert clever poker analogy here) 

taking the collectors is like limping against tyson's bb

the express is faster than kory's ex g/f

Tie Twist

I slow-play and pop up to Steeles.

No one can put you on Steeles.

the_main

This thread is great.

ScottyZ

Lane image: tight aggressive

LOL

ScottyZ

Facecard99

Tie Twist wrote:

I slow-play and pop up to Steeles.

No one can put you on Steeles.

thursday at 3 ... on steeles ?? not a good idea ... u'll get caught and go broke i kno cuz i live right at steeles

-ANTE RIVER-

Pull over to the shoulder, stop your car, get out, and start singing "Everybody Hurts".

Wait a minute, it was snowing all day Thursday.  I saw some guy pulled over near
Allen mumbling something about shining his skis...

magithighs

all_aces wrote:

All right.

Here's a decision I was put to yesterday.

I was driving onto the 401, and had the choice between express and collectors.  Now, the highway sign said that express was moving slowly and that collectors was moving well.

So I thought, well, everyone's gonna read that, and go onto the collectors. (Level 1 thinking)

So, would I be better off going onto the express, if everyone else reads that sign and goes onto the collectors, thereby congesting the collectors MORE than the express lanes?  (Level 2 thinking)

Or, would everybody ELSE think that too, and go onto the collectors after all, knowing that most people would assume that most people would read the sign and do the opposite of what it recommends?  (Level 3 thinking)

What's your play here?

Any feedback appreciated, results to follow.

There's just no way to make this decision without getting a good read.  Too many unpredictable drivers who pretty much ignore the road and the signs.  And then there's the folks who can't read the signs for various reasons -- can't see, too drunk, actually can't read, etc. etc.

You need to be in the middle lane and wait until you've gone at least a .5 kilometer past the initial fork in the road.  Get a good read on how many folks have chosen either side.  Then figure out how many were at level 1, 2, 3, 4 thinking.  Calculate that in with the number of drivers who haven't seen the sign. 

Then look up ahead, and see if your calculations are correct.

At the last possible second swerve into the side with less traffic.  I love this as it puts the drivers behind me on tilt and gives me an open road ahead.  No one wants to get near me and the maniac chasing me -- the one that's going to get even for cutting into traffic.  With some skillfull driving you should be able to avert this guy.

If you can't then it will take some more level two thinking.  When he pulls up beside you, you calmly open your glove box and start fidgeting around.  He of course, thinks you're reaching for your gun and will want to retreat quickly.  If he has a gun, well you're pretty much screwed.

Cheers
Lou

ol-stone-face

If he has a gun, well you're pretty much screwed.

Time to change gears. Wratch up the passivity. don't look over.....don't look over....don't look over!

Unknown

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

Wader was correct, I went to Level 2, and took the express.

Result: both the express and the collectors were totally f***ed.

BBC Z

I'm going to let you in on the secret of those stupid compass signs.

They only talk about the very next intersection that is coming up and they make no statement about what traffic is like a few kilometers down the road. So, what you tend to see is: 'Express moving slow, Collectors moving well' around the 400. Problem is that the Express is always heavy upfront and smooth down the road while the collectors is always smooth early and deadly at islington. Collectors is always the worse choice there..

I've come to the conclusion that the only information you can act on are lane closures. Other than that, the two are the same.

Paul3221

There is no level of thinking that will help here. It's the 401 in or near Toronto. There are higher powers at work, and you'll be screwed either way... ;-)

SirWatts

Cmon aces you of all people should know better than to post another bad beat thread.