Would you make this call?

vinsanity

***** Hand History for Game 641757253 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 3976136) - Tue Jun 01 07:17:44 EDT 2004
Table Table 11224 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: Vinsanity (1590)
Seat 5: BigBadBucky (1810)
Seat 8: VovTroyJeblt (1740)
Seat 9: Jcalvin2424 (2860)
Vinsanity posts small blind (150)
BigBadBucky posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Vinsanity [ Ah, Jh ]
VovTroyJeblt raises (1740) to 1740
VovTroyJeblt is all-In.
Jcalvin2424 folds.
Vinsanity calls (1440)
Vinsanity is all-In.
BigBadBucky folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 9s, 2s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Kc ]
Creating Main Pot with $3480 with Vinsanity
Creating Side Pot 1 with $150 with VovTroyJeblt
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3480 | Side Pot 1: 150
Board: [ Td 9s 2s Tc Kc ]
Vinsanity balance 0, lost 1590 [ Ah Jh ] [ a pair of tens -- Ah,Kc,Jh,Td,Tc ]
BigBadBucky balance 1510, lost 300 (folded)
VovTroyJeblt balance 3630, bet 1740, collected 3630, net +1890 [ Jc 9c ] [ two pairs, tens and nines -- Kc,Td,Tc,9c,9s ]
Jcalvin2424 balance 2860, didn't bet (folded)


Very aggressive player who had gone all in a lot to steal. He could be holding anything. I figured most likely Ax lower than J, at worst I'd be 50-50. Would you guys call or fold in this bubble situation?

vinsanity

Not on the bubble but still hard to swallow.


***** Hand History for Game 641764915 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 3976145) - Tue Jun 01 07:31:34 EDT 2004
Table Table 11037 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: Vinsanity (1970)
Seat 4: THUNGUYEN (3710)
Seat 7: Spade1 (2320)
Spade1 posts small blind (150)
Vinsanity posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Vinsanity[ Ks, Qh ]
THUNGUYEN folds.
Spade1 raises (2170) to 2320
Spade1 is all-In.
Vinsanitycalls (1670)
Vinsanity is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, Th, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
Creating Main Pot with $3940 with Vinsanity
Creating Side Pot 1 with $350 with Spade1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3940 | Side Pot 1: 350
Board: [ 3s Th 6h 3d 4c ]
Vinsanity balance 0, lost 1970 [ Ks Qh ] [ a pair of threes -- Ks,Qh,Th,3s,3d ]
THUNGUYEN balance 3710, didn't bet (folded)
Spade1 balance 4290, bet 2320, collected 4290, net +1970 [ 2d 3h ] [ three of a kind, threes -- Th,6h,3h,3s,3d ]

ScottyZ

Would you make this call? [with AJs]

Yes, because of

Very aggressive player who had gone all in a lot to steal.

but it's very dependent on the player type read.

Looks like you made a nice read, and a nice play.

For the second hand, I don't like that call nearly as much, even if you have a similar read on the player type. KQ is not good enough to make a stand with for all your chips.

There is a *world* of difference between these two hands.

ScottyZ

Anonymous

I liked the first call. I do not like calling all ins pre flop with KQ except under very unusual circumstances (say you are big blind and its a small amount extra to call).

I do understand your frustration though, it is natural to feel that when you caught an agressive or flat out bad player and they get lucky and win despite themselves.

Just a few minutes ago I had a pretty rough bad beat on a 20 dollar sit and go where I had AJ and raised pre flop from 50 to 250 with one caller.

Flop was Ah Jc 3s

He bet 100 I reraised all in an extra 1400 or so. He called.

He had Kh 7h

After all the chips were bet, the turn and river were hearts (sadly not the jack :P ) and he won with a flush.

These type of bad beats used to get under my skin a lot more then they do now (though obviously they are always frustrating), but as my friend said over and over "some people are just bad players and even bad players can win at times"

In your first case you smartly caught an agressive player and he got lucky. In the second case you caught a pretty bad player and he got lucky. In the end you were in a favorable position in each hand, and as long as you continue to do that the results will work themselves out.

ScottyZ

By the way, how the heck do you expect to get a reasonable amount of play in a tournament where the *average* stack is about 3 or 4 big blinds at some point in the tournament?

You generally should be in *dire straits* when you are down to 4 big blinds, not an average stack.

ScottyZ

Jay

ScottyZ wrote:

Would you make this call? [with AJs]

Yes, because of

Very aggressive player who had gone all in a lot to steal.

but it's very dependent on the player type read.

Looks like you made a nice read, and a nice play.

For the second hand, I don't like that call nearly as much, even if you have a similar read on the player type. KQ is not good enough to make a stand with for all your chips.

There is a *world* of difference between these two hands.

I was pretty much going to say this.