collusion at WSOP?

AnonymousAnonymous
in WSOP / WPT / EPT Discussion
David, if you're reading this, congrats on your performance at WSOP, also I bought and very much enjoyed your poker book, but have not played at a casino yet...

Two questions for the group regarding WSOP:
1) Could somebody have lost on the first day, but entered the first round(i.e. buy somebody else's seat) on he second day? (wouldn't this be a big edge, as you could go kamikazee on the first day trying to build a big stack?)

2) Could two players (say at a dinner break) make a deal to play a certain way? i.e. when one raises, the other doesn't contest the pot? or somehow signal their cards to each other?

Comments

  • ConfusedONEConfusedONE
    1. (not sure) but if ya bust out on Day 1...i think that's pretty much it...FINI :shock:

    2. anything is possible i guess...there's cameras all around and all...
    i wouldn't try to attempt it...

    :shock:
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    newbie wrote:
    David, if you're reading this, congrats on your performance at WSOP, also I bought and very much enjoyed your poker book, but have not played at a casino yet...

    Two questions for the group regarding WSOP:
    1) Could somebody have lost on the first day, but entered the first round(i.e. buy somebody else's seat) on he second day? (wouldn't this be a big edge, as you could go kamikazee on the first day trying to build a big stack?)

    IMO, this is a gray area in terms of whether or not this is cheating. It strikes me as not totally being on the up-and-up, sort of for the reason you mentioned, but I can't really find a convincing argument that it definitely is cheating. Someone is paying two tournament entry fees, and deciding to play one of those stacks sub-optimally. I might even *like* this as an opponent.

    I'm not sure if anyone did this in the WSOP this year, or whether or not it would have been allowed. My theory is it would be disallowed purely for logicstic reasons--- if too many people did this it would completely defeat the purpose of having a separate Day 1 and Day 2 in the first place.
    2) Could two players (say at a dinner break) make a deal to play a certain way? i.e. when one raises, the other doesn't contest the pot? or somehow signal their cards to each other?

    No gray area here at all. There is no doubt that this is cheating.

    This specific kind of cheating is known as collusion. Players are not allowed to work together as a group in order to gain an unfair advantage for at least one of the players in the group.

    ScottyZ
  • MiamiKeithMiamiKeith
    1) Could somebody have lost on the first day, but entered the first round(i.e. buy somebody else's seat) on he second day? (wouldn't this be a big edge, as you could go kamikazee on the first day trying to build a big stack?)

    Even if you could do this (which I'm sure you couldn't) there would be no edge at all. You are paying twice as much for two shots at it... no edge there. Certainly, playing one of those shots poorly is not going to give you an edge.
    2) Could two players (say at a dinner break) make a deal to play a certain way? i.e. when one raises, the other doesn't contest the pot? or somehow signal their cards to each other?

    Collusion is always possible at any form of poker.

    Keith
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