Regina NLH Rebuy

wader

I have a bout 25k Middle Late Position
Blinds are 600/1200

MP goes allin for about 2500 I raise to 5000 with QQ in LP. Cutoff pushes and has me covered. I go into the tank. Cutoff is a good player (i think) what can he push here with JJ(no) QQ(possibly but I doubt he has this) KK(yes) AA(yes but why not go 10k more to keep me in?) AK(yes). I end up folding because at best its a race and i dont need to risk it yet. Anyways flop,turn and river miss everyone and I would have won the hand. I feel like an idiot..........next hand please. The more I think about it the more I can put my opponent on KK or AK. I think I play the hand the same way next time.
Any suggestions???????

$1000 NLH Freeze Out
I have about 23K in LP
Blinds are 800/1600 I think

EP limps (has been doing this enough that I feel he doesnt have a big hand). I limp with A10clubs and position and BB checks (loose player, not very good, has pushed his chips in lots.....Im trying to get in a hand with him and take his chips). Flop comes 10d 4d 2s BB bets 2K, EP folds and I raise 2K more (I want him in the pot) BB calls. Turn is a 9d and BB pushes all in for about 14K. Now Im certain he didnt hit his flush since he pushed here (has been doing this to much when scare cards come) I knew he was going to push and really thats what I wanted but now Im a little worried about two pair and if not he may have a diamond. I follow my gut and call he shows 10h6d and hits a 6 on the river. Now against other opponents fold here but I knew what this guy was all about. My question here is does anyone fold when they are certain they are ahead but just dont want to risk the chips in fear of being outdrawn?

Wader

SirWatts

Hand 1: Wow this situation sucks so much. If you put him on AA,KK,AK your equity is about ((.55)*16 + (.2) * 12)/28 = .4 and you're getting about 1.7:1 when you only need 1.5:1 to call. The all-in player may have one of the AK's outs or he may have a pair so ignoring him in this calculation should be fine. It seems like he's more likely to help you then hurt you actually. So you're getting the odds to call but it's close. I would try to get a read on him and go with my instinct here. This is close enough to go either way.

hand 2: If you're going to fold the best hand here when he's drawing to 12 outs on you with 1 card to come you should not be playing. Nice call.

GTA Poker

1. I fold that hand, you still have lots of play if you are one of the best players.

2. No, this is where you want to be, you KNOW you are way ahead. Oh, I would have definitely raised that hand preflop, that way you are much better defined on later streets, I mean you almost KNOW you are ahea, but he could have flopped any random 2 pair in the BB.

westside8

1. It would be a tough play for me. I would lean towards folding, since folding this hand and losing the committed chips won't put you down alot and will give you chips to play with.

2. Just a tough card on the river. These are the calls you got to make. Occasaionlly you will get outdrawn, but with the read you have on him, no reason to fold simply being fear of being outdrawn.

wader

GTA Poker wrote:

 

Oh, I would have definitely raised that hand preflop, that way you are much better defined on later streets, I mean you almost KNOW you are ahea, but he could have flopped any random 2 pair in the BB.

I know I dont have a power house here with A10s but I want to keep the BB in the hand, if I can keep him in and induce a bluff from him I can win a decent pot. I also dont mind limping in this position....I have a decent hand with position on my limper, if its checked I can probabbly steal the pot (limper is pretty much ABC player). If limper bets out when A hits then I can raise nowing im probabbly ahead accept for AJ. As far as BB flopping any two random pair........yup, but that was a chance I was willing to take to get all his chips.I'm sure everyone at the table was just waiting to get there chips in with him and I thought this might be a chance.

Wader

GTA Poker

1. I agree, in a cash game, but not in a tournament. I would rather win a small to medium sized pot in a tournament than putting the whole thing at risk on one hand if I feel I can keep chopping away.

2. I don't need a monster to raise with position in a tournament, infact I can have nothing if I can read the players well. I can't agree with limping there, but to each his own.

3. In that you did limp, you played it correctly afterwards, but as I stated above you likely risked your entire tournament for a big score by letting the BB in. Lets say you made it 3bb to go and he still calls (I don't know if he would, but lets say he still does), MOST players will give up the pot even with top pair no kicker if you have represented a possible overpair preflop and make a big move. Like I said, I'd rather take down a 9-12bb pot than risk it all even if ahead, at most stages of the tournament if I feel the table is expolitable.

wader

GTA Poker wrote:

2. I don't need a monster to raise with position in a tournament, infact I can have nothing if I can read the players well.  I can't agree with limping there, but to each his own. 

I love limping with this hand, there are still at least four people to act behind me. If I raise I can't call a decent re-raise and If I raise and am called by someone with position on me I am in a tough spot if an A flops. The whole purpose was to keep the BB in the hand and hit a good flop, even if I'm not interested in the BB's chips I probabbly play it the same way. I do understand what you are saying about showing some strength preflop but I think this can get you into trouble with these kind of hands. I would be more inclined to make a big raise with 89s and a couple of limpers.

Im interested in what other people would do in this situation? Pre-Flop play raise or limp here?????

Unknown

Hand one:  Almost as important as your impression of the cutoff player is your impression of his impression of you.  Have you been out of line a lot?  Has he SEEN you be out of line a lot?  Does he have any reason to think you're making a move with a hand like 77 or something in order to isolate the all-in player?  If you've given him no reason to think you're a loose cannon, I think you should fold your queens.  You made the minimum re-raise, first of all, after the all-in player raised.  A minimum re-raise usually says to me that the player has QQ, KK, or AA.  So, he sees you do this, and THEN he moves in?  He has to have KK or AA, unless as I said he thinks you are a wild card.  If you've given him reason to think you're a loose, somewhat reckless, unpredictable player, you have to call.

Hand two:  You played it fine.  I don't mind the limp, either.  A ten-high flop is just what the doctor ordered... tough beat.

GTA Poker

wader wrote:

GTA Poker wrote:

2. I don't need a monster to raise with position in a tournament, infact I can have nothing if I can read the players well. I can't agree with limping there, but to each his own.

I would be more inclined to make a big raise with 89s and a couple of limpers.

I LOVE raising suited connectors against ABC players, I fully agree with you there, you can take down monster pots. I will only do this when opening, even UTG or with only 1 limper infront of me in late position (in general). I tend to only do this at stages of the tournament when my stack is large in relation to the blinds. For me though, limping with ATs in that position is more problematic that raising with 98s. I prefer to be the guy at the table controlling with raising than trapping with limping, with certain exceptions.

I just do not feel that ATs is a strong enough holding to be used as a limp trap in this situation is what I guess it comes down to. I want to take a small to medium pot with that hand.

The strength of ATs as a trap for me comes from showing down MUCH weaker preflop hands earlier in the game that I raised with and people thinking I'm weaker than ATs when I raise with it.

I guess it all depends