SnG Hand

beanie42beanie42
in Brags, Beats & Variance
Early in micro-limit SnG, 9 players left, most stacks between 1000 and 1500, I'm 2nd with 2000, leader has 4000.  No real read on players.

I'm UTG with :qc :10c, and I limp in.  UTG+1 calls, MP raises min 30 to 60 total.  SB folds, BB calls, I call, UTG+1 calls.  Pot is 255.

Flop is beautiful for me, :kc :8c :5c.  I have second nut flush, with backdoor straight flush draw.  However, with 3 other players in, I'm worried about :ac being in play, so I bet the pot.  Is this too cautious (betting pot) since I'm hoping to win it right here, or should I have trapped a little to get some more money?  MP calls (does this mean A, or just pair, etc.), everyone else folds.  Pot is 765, while MP now has 855 chips left.

Turn is :jc .  Nice since I'm 1 card from the straight flush, but now a naked :ac will beat me. However, since I bet on flop, I feel compelled to bet, so I again bet pot for 765, but MP's stack means any call is all-in.  Should I have made the continuation bet here, or checked and allowed the MP to bet into me (and if so, should I call if he bets)?

Comments

  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    Micro limit, I'm all-in on the flop, you will get called by :ac and you want that.

    You will also get called by worse hands at times, and you want that too.

    Higher limits, I play it differently trying to make more $$ and not wanting to risk my tournament early on if I feel I'm one of the better players.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    Hrm...

    I don't like the min raise pre-flop, it's not likely to chase out hands like A-3o or some crap like that - and someone may have the A clubs. Once three drop to the flush, anyone with that ace is likely to chase because they're nuts. I like the pot bet on the flop, and without knowing the other callers stacks, it sounds reasonable (though if you have 2k and the biggest stack in the hand is like 800, I put enough to make their stack at risk... something like 600, but I've been called overly aggressive).

    Let's not forget, you still have the 9 clubs nut draw!! :) One outers hit all the time! THen there's also the fact that you've got a better than 50/50 shot that the A clubs never got out in the first place (roughly, 20 cards dealt out of 52, which is roughly 40% - again, I'm not too experienced at calculating odds of starting hands.. does this make sense?)

    I don't like "trapping" since you're in a situation where any one card "could" beat you.. and with the way I play, I'm as likely to be betting with top pair! :)

    Mark
  • SirWattsSirWatts
    I check the turn to because he's probably not calling you without the Ac since the next highest he could have is the 9c and it's unlikely he has much/any draw on you if you're ahead. Then I make a decision based on how he bets the turn. A push kind of looks like a bluff so I likely call or a really small bet I call. If he bets half his stack I'm going to strongly consider laying this down that bet looks like it wants to be called way too much.
  • beanie42beanie42
    GTA Poker wrote:
    Micro limit, I'm all-in on the flop, you will get called by :ac and you want that.

    You will also get called by worse hands at times, and you want that too.

    Higher limits, I play it differently trying to make more $$ and not wanting to risk my tournament early on if I feel I'm one of the better players.
    Good points GTA, thanks, I'm having difficulty with this.  I have a tiny bankroll but am trying to improve my play, thus practicing in the tiny SnGs.  However, while I know not to get too fancy with these players, even things that to me seem "common knowledge" apparently aren't :( and I end up beating myself.  It's hard balancing good/fun play with the actual players I'm with.
    DrTyore wrote:
    I like the pot bet on the flop, and without knowing the other callers stacks
    The other players are all between 1000 and 1500 (see OP), I think the MP was just under 1200.  I didn't include specifics (although I can get them) because I think the general point is I've got enough chips to cover both players all-in, and with the blinds still try to come back.  Also, the blinds are early enough that nobody should feel forced to push (smallest stack has over 30 BB).
    SirWatts wrote:
    I check the turn to because he's probably not calling you without the Ac
    In hindsight, this was exactly my thinking.  With that board, and the clubs I held, the :ac is the only "reasonable" hand that would call (although "reasonable" at micro-limit is a bit interesting).  Although I guess my question now gets split into more pieces when you consider the "technically" correct play and the correct play given the limits (and calibre of players).
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