PS SnG 180 Hand

westside8

PokerStars Game #3043381384: Tournament #15035852, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/12 - 21:19:16 (ET)
Table '15035852 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: bdubs3737 (4946 in chips)
Seat 3: wesleyw (1625 in chips)
Seat 4: HPole (4040 in chips)
Seat 5: ticotortuga (2172 in chips)
Seat 6: RickinAtl (2327 in chips)
Seat 7: UnBalanced1 (2360 in chips)
Seat 8: jgpoker (2575 in chips)
Seat 9: arvsay (3537 in chips)
bdubs3737: posts small blind 50
wesleyw: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wesleyw [Jd Ah]
HPole: folds
ticotortuga: folds
RickinAtl: folds
UnBalanced1: folds
jgpoker: raises 100 to 200
arvsay: folds
bdubs3737: folds
wesleyw: calls 100

Not much read, new table, except player has been raising preflop quite often.

*** FLOP *** [Ac 7c 3d]
wesleyw: bets 300
jgpoker: calls 300
*** TURN *** [Ac 7c 3d] [Ad]
wesleyw: bets 500
jgpoker: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7c 3d Ad] [4d]
wesleyw: bets 625 and is all-in
jgpoker: calls 625
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wesleyw: shows [Jd Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
jgpoker: shows [Kd As] (three of a kind, Aces - King kicker)
jgpoker collected 3300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3300 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 7c 3d Ad 4d]
Seat 1: bdubs3737 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: wesleyw (big blind) showed [Jd Ah] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: HPole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ticotortuga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RickinAtl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: UnBalanced1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jgpoker showed [Kd As] and won (3300) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 9: arvsay (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I really don't think I could've got away from the hand after the turn, but would anyone throw the hand away preflop from the minimum raise? Or maybe check the flop (and lose the chance "to gather information") and risk giving free card?

GTA Poker

Shit happens, nothing you can do.

SirWatts

Nice hand. Start a new tournament.

AcidJoe

A J gets me into a lot of trouble. I will rarely call a raise (even a minimum raise) unless one of 3 things happens. I'm in the blinds. It's suited and the raise is minimum. Or I have a VERY good read on the player and would have just called and he only minimum raised. Other than that I muck to a raise.

GTA Poker

No way you much that hand at any street, especially in a low buy-in on pokerstars. Shit happens, sometimes you have to lose to be a winning player.

Dave Scharf

No peeking, here are my thoughts.

PokerStars Game #3043381384: Tournament #15035852, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/12 - 21:19:16 (ET)
Table '15035852 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: bdubs3737 (4946 in chips)
Seat 3: wesleyw (1625 in chips)

Good chip position. No need to panic.

Seat 4: HPole (4040 in chips)
Seat 5: ticotortuga (2172 in chips)
Seat 6: RickinAtl (2327 in chips)
Seat 7: UnBalanced1 (2360 in chips)
Seat 8: jgpoker (2575 in chips)
Seat 9: arvsay (3537 in chips)
bdubs3737: posts small blind 50
wesleyw: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wesleyw [Jd Ah]
HPole: folds
ticotortuga: folds
RickinAtl: folds
UnBalanced1: folds
jgpoker: raises 100 to 200
arvsay: folds
bdubs3737: folds
wesleyw: calls 100

I think your call is fine. I make it and remind myself to "be careful" I have a weak hand being played out of position.

Not much read, new table, except player has been raising preflop quite often.

*** FLOP *** [Ac 7c 3d]
wesleyw: bets 300
jgpoker: calls 300

AALLLAARRRMMM. What does he have. You *probably* have the best hand, but it's hard to be certain.

*** TURN *** [Ac 7c 3d] [Ad]
wesleyw: bets 500
jgpoker: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7c 3d Ad] [4d]
wesleyw: bets 625 and is all-in
jgpoker: calls 625

I think I do the same thing. It will be hard to check and fold AND you are short on chips.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
wesleyw: shows [Jd Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
jgpoker: shows [Kd As] (three of a kind, Aces - King kicker)

Oops. Oh well. This is, more or less, a hand that plays itself once you choose to make the original call. He slow plays it which makes it extra hard. A good example of the difficulty of (1) Short chips (2) Marginal hand and (3) lack of position.

I really don't think I could've got away from the hand after the turn, but would anyone throw the hand away preflop from the minimum raise? Or maybe check the flop (and lose the chance "to gather information") and risk giving free card?

The only place I *might* get away is on the turn. I might check the turn (one of us is drawing REAL thin) and see what he does. The problem is that he moves in and I almost certainly call because me check has induced a bluff.

The other possilbilty is to OVERBET the pot on the flop. Instead of 300 into a 450 pot go 500 into that pot. If he flat calls a BIG bet you might think... oh oh, I'm beat.

Redington

Wes..

If someone is raising alot then pull a min raise in LP you can pretty much be assured he has a PREMIUM hand.

That being said, there really wasn't anything here to define what that hand was. He is not raising you through the hand, but he is calling. If he is aggressive he would have tried to take the pot away from you, *unless* he needs you to bet.

When the second ace comes, you are really ahead, or really behind (77? out kicker).

If you check, you could get a reaction of what he does. Not that you ould really fold but the check might have bought you an extra card like the diamond that gives you some extra fold equity. As well he may keep the pot small to ensure you call (which would tip you off someone what0

typically - feigned weakness means strength, forced strength means weakness.

specialK

I think that once the turn fell it was over for this hand. I think that the preflop call of 100 is a fairly easy call with AJo in the BB, but at the same time when he just doubles the bet you have to think about what he has done before (you said he was raising quite frequently preflop so base this on that) and what kind of hands he has had when he has raised before. This could make the 100 raise seem suspicious or seem normal i suppose. I think that preflop is maybe one spot that you could also get away from the hand, AJo is a pretty scary hand, so i could see laying it down preflop out of position. So after you make the call the flop comes *** FLOP *** [Ac 7c 3d] and you have pretty much hit your best possible card... then wesleyw: bets 300; jgpoker: calls 300. I have to agree with Dave and say that at this point your bet doesn't really show you anything about the guys hand... you bet 300 into a pot of 450 what could he be calling with?? well he could very well be on the flush draw with two clubs in the pocket, or he could have a hand like A - something or maybe trips(77 or 33). I would say in the case of having AJo on that flop with a flush draw out there betting a little more than the pot -- 500 is a better move then you can find out more about your opponents hand... he should fold if he has a flush draw, and if he calls you have to think you are in trouble(vs a hand like AK or trips). Then on the turn *** TURN *** [Ac 7c 3d] [Ad] your third ace comes off wesleyw: bets 500 jgpoker: calls 500, basically here is where you're at a point of no return and your going to showdown unfortunately with the losing hand. I think that you might be able to get away from this hand preflop and after on the flop with the big bet.

Dave Scharf

you have pretty much hit your best possible card...

Usually you are better off hitting your kicker. It is much easier to play A-J on a board of J-8-2, for example.

specialK

well yeah that's why i said pretty much... i'm glad to see you don't disagree with anything else i wrote in my reply.

the_main

Good comments thus far.

I think the only way you can get away from this hand is a re-raise preflop.   AJo is not a hand I want to play out of position, so I'd like to end it here if possible.  He's likely to re-raise all in if he's that aggressive and you can dump it.

Maybe bump it up with a pot sized raise of t450-500?

You can still get away from a push as you'll still have 10xBBs.

I think if he flat calls, I go broke on the hand when tha  :ac flops.

Regardless, the call isnt a bad idea - but then after the turn you can't help but be out of this tourny.

Dave Scharf

Shame on me.

I agree. Re-raise pre-flop. The cutoff has taken a shot at your BB. He could have a wide range of hands. Re-raise and end it now. If he calls your re-raise, proceed with caution.

specialK

Yeah, good call i like the idea of reraising the preflop raise... i don't know why i didn't think of it, but yeah especially because of the players previous preflop aggressiveness... good post main.