can i lay this down?
the other day i was playing in a cash game... i had about $140 in chips, i look down at QQ in the BB, my openent opens with a raise of 4x the BB. I reraise to 10x the BB, he calls. the flop comes KQ8 rainbow. i raise 5x the BB, my opponent re raises to 10x the BB, i raise to 20x the BB.... he moves all in and i have him slightly in chips, i call he flips over KK... how can i possibly lay this one down??
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1but only when playing me and only if I'm betting agressively into you.
For example, in a $0.01-$0.01 game, the all-in raise is for another 14,000 times the BB. With under $1 in the pot and facing a call of $140, you can easily lay down middle set and wait for a better spot during the next 7,000 orbits.
If the blinds are $1-$2, it's $80 to call into a pot of $200--- a call that 1,000,000 monkeys could make with middle set, even if they were busy trying to randomly type out the complete works of Shakespeare.
The blinds being something like $0.25-$0.50 leaves you in a tough spot. Now you face a call of $125 into a pot of $155. Whether or not you could call such an insane overbet (the opponent betting $125 into a pot of $30) with the 2nd nuts depends on your opponent read.
ScottyZ
I didn't really mean any sarcastic by this post, evne though the examples I gave are intentionally extreme. The precise amount of the blinds really does matter; specifically, we need to know whether the final all-in raise is a "standard sized" bet, or a ginormous overbet.
ScottyZ
Boy, talk about looking in the wrong places to find leaks..
You were meant to lose that money.
The inital re-raise may set off some alarms in my mind. Again this really depeneds on your perception of this partiular player. I would keep a hands like AK, AQ, KQ, 10-10, in mind. After the flop I think its nearly impossible to lay that hand down. If you are super tight I guess you could assume KK, and lay it down, but I would say you would be FAR more disciplined then me.
I think as soon as you called the re-raise preflop ... you were stuck in that hand.
If it makes you feel any better, I seem to get nailed like that a lot.
Yes.
ScottyZ
Flop comes KQJ rainbow. BB Goes all-in for about 15k and has the cutoff covered. Cutoff laments that the BB hasn't even thought about him holding AT and thinks for a good 3 minutes. He then folds. He thought the weak/tight BB could only make that bet with the nut str8 and he wasn't getting odds on his set, as he was holding QQ.
The BB said he had ATo on the following day and the cutoff said he had QQ. I talked to them separately and there was no reason to lie. However, I had picked up a huge tell on the BB when he had monster hands. I didn't see that tell in this hand, so he quite possibly could have been lying. But, then again I wasn't really observing him that closely.
I thought the QQ laydown was pretty amazing. I think you're really asking, is there anything that can tell you that your opponent has you beat. I think it would be pretty tough and it's pretty situational. You would have to be very certain of your read.
Cheers
Magi
But seriously flopping trip Q's ..... a real tough laydown... even if your opponent is a mouse.