Whether or not "natural" hands beat "wild" hands is an issue with a lot of fuzzy boundaries, and I remember arguing with my buddies in the old days about how the criteria should be applied. (It didn't help that we were all graduate students in math!) Eventually we got tired of the arguments and just let the hands play, wild cards or no.
From a math perspective 5 of a kind does beat
a straight flush. I'll do the case of one joker added to the deck -- you can generalize to any number of jokers (deuces wild, for example) and/or bugs (used as Aces or to complete straights/flushes).
straight flushes: 40 without a joker + 40*5 with one joker = 240 in total.
5 of a kind: 0 without a joker + 13 with one joker = 13 in total.
5 of a kind is MUCH rarer, and this persists no matter how many wildcards you use.
However, my favourite rule for jokers is that they can be used as any card in the standard deck not already in the hand. This makes 5 of a kind impossible.
If you really want 5-of a kind get two decks with the same back but one with big numerals. Seperate out the Big Spades and mix them in with the other deck to get a deck with 5 suits. Remember that flushes beat full houses with this deck, though.
From a math perspective 5 of a kind does beat
a straight flush. I'll do the case of one joker added to the deck -- you can generalize to any number of jokers (deuces wild, for example) and/or bugs (used as Aces or to complete straights/flushes).
straight flushes: 40 without a joker + 40*5 with one joker = 240 in total.
5 of a kind: 0 without a joker + 13 with one joker = 13 in total.
5 of a kind is MUCH rarer, and this persists no matter how many wildcards you use.
yeah that was pretty much my reasoning
but i would never ever want to see this kind of play in the wsop... ( of course it wont happen but for sake of argument )
mite have to throw a chair at a 'named' player
cuz she yells 'FY' and 'FY to the dealer'...OMG...OMG!!! 5 of a Kind
this is the worst thing to happen to me in a tournament :evil:
In draw with a joker (used as a bug) 5 aces does beat a royal. The "bug" (joker) can be used only as an ace, or to complete a straight, a flush, or a straight flush. So the only 5 of a kind possible in this game is 5 aces.
This is a "real" game... or at least it used to be. It's the kind of draw poker that Mike Caro spends most of his time talking about in his chapter of Super System. It's a fun game too... I don't know why draw poker has all but disappeared off the face of the planet.
In draw with a joker (used as a bug) 5 aces does beat a royal. The "bug" (joker) can be used only as an ace, or to complete a straight, a flush, or a straight flush. So the only 5 of a kind possible in this game is 5 aces.
This is a "real" game... or at least it used to be. It's the kind of draw poker that Mike Caro spends most of his time talking about in his chapter of Super System. It's a fun game too... I don't know why draw poker has all but disappeared off the face of the planet.
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not sure i agree with that from a math perspective, but that's the deal.
ScottyZ
also, see sz's other port about naturals usually accepted as beating wild-card hands...again, a house rule
From a math perspective
a straight flush. I'll do the case of one joker added to the deck -- you can generalize to any number of jokers (deuces wild, for example) and/or bugs (used as Aces or to complete straights/flushes).
straight flushes: 40 without a joker + 40*5 with one joker = 240 in total.
5 of a kind: 0 without a joker + 13 with one joker = 13 in total.
5 of a kind is MUCH rarer, and this persists no matter how many wildcards you use.
However, my favourite rule for jokers is that they can be used as any card in the standard deck not already in the hand. This makes 5 of a kind impossible.
If you really want 5-of a kind get two decks with the same back but one with big numerals. Seperate out the Big Spades and mix them in with the other deck to get a deck with 5 suits. Remember that flushes beat full houses with this deck, though.
yeah that was pretty much my reasoning
but i would never ever want to see this kind of play in the wsop... ( of course it wont happen but for sake of argument )
mite have to throw a chair at a 'named' player
cuz she yells 'FY' and 'FY to the dealer'...OMG...OMG!!! 5 of a Kind
this is the worst thing to happen to me in a tournament :evil:
ROFLMFAO
This is a "real" game... or at least it used to be. It's the kind of draw poker that Mike Caro spends most of his time talking about in his chapter of Super System. It's a fun game too... I don't know why draw poker has all but disappeared off the face of the planet.
Keith
Magicians. It's all because of magicians.
(seriously! too much sleight of hand)