Interesting flop!!
Last Saturday night... Akwesasne Mohawk Casino... about 20-30 hands after the table opens....
Flop: :ad :4d :4d
Oooopps... some interesting discussions about that for the rest of the evening!!
Flop: :ad :4d :4d
Oooopps... some interesting discussions about that for the rest of the evening!!
Comments
Granted that was a Charity tournament and not a Casino.
JohnieH
I was up quite a bit for a while (one of the 2 big stacks at the table), but then went on a 3 hour run of extremely crappy cards (the other big stack and I both went on this slump, and we were joking back and forth because we'd realize how much our luck had changed).
So I was almost ready to call it quits when I won a pretty big pot, and I was back up for the night. I was in the middle of organizing the chips I'd just won, and I was dealt 88, usually a hand I'd see a flop with of course. But, but the time it got to me it was 3 bet, and I thought, "No, I just got back up, I'll lay this down and clean up my chips", and I figured I'd wait for a better opportunity.
Well, there was an 8 on the flop, and an 8 on the turn, and of course I wish I'd played the pocket 8s... so just as the hand finished, I said, "wow, I can't believe how much raising was going on considering I folded the other two 8s" (there were 4 or 5 people still in the hand at the river).
But then the guy that was the other big stack said, "You couldn't have had 88, I folded Q8... I know because I watched a Q & 8 come down on the flop, and then an 8 on the turn... I was about to lose it".
Now, I know people make mistakes, but I know for a fact I folded 88, and the other guy is a very good guy (I've played with him quite a few times there and he's a very standup guy), and I don't think he would lie about something like that (in fact I'd pretty much guarantee he was telling the truth), but if that's the case, there were five 8s in that deck.
After seeing this post, I know that it's possible for something like this to happen... WOOHOO! I'M NOT CRAZY!
All bets were returned for this hand and the deck was replaced...
Certainly a situation like this could mean that someone was cheating, however in this case.... it was more a case of a sloppy check of the cards when the table opened... the dealer fans the cards, and is supposed check that they're all there... it turns out that there were 2 :4d and no :4h.
This likely happened while a dealer was "repairing" a deck... the decks are cleaned, sorted, and checked for marks... creased, marked, or otherwise damaged cards are replaced from other damaged decks... I've sat at an empty table and watched this process, and at 3 in the morning, I can imagine it's not to hard to pull a damaged :4h and mistakenly replace it with a :4d
10-20 Brantford, the post is limped all around (5-6 players seeing the flop) Flop is Ace of diamonds and two hearts. Couple players drop out few see the turn. Turn comes 3rd heart. early position bets, middle folds, late raises, early then calls the 2nd bet. River comes down 4th heart.... heres the fun part.... they go 11 bets!!!!!!!! yes I said 11 (eleven) bets. We had three suits lined up to check the deck cause it was seemingly obvious that there were two A's of hearts out there. It was quite the sepctacle. Turns out the K of hearts thought the ace of diamonds on board was actually the Ace of hearts.... expensive misread at $220 on the river alone. heres the clincher though... once he FINALLY double checked his hole cards and then figured out what was going on he still clalled the the eleventh bet.
Would you have called knowing the other guy just went 11 bets on you and you realize you misread your hand?????
:as
Doesn't it look just as foolish to go 11 bets and then fold? This is probably a tough descision... whats the best way to look less foolish? Fold or call?
It would be a tough decision if he looked back at his hole card and found no heart.
As for the OP, there is nothing new here. It's the classic "slip the extra 4 of diamonds into the deck" play, straight out of the old school Texas road games. This worked especially well in Stud hi-lo games where the aim would be to aggressively play your draws to the steel wheel in diamonds.
Of course, in modern times the play is more rare, but the other day playing online, I could have sworn that one of my opponents was getting pocket 4's much more often than would be statistically correct.
I never did catch him red-handed, but I had to wonder if he was somehow able to make the STE4ODITD play online...
ScottyZ