Not sure what "optimal" would be.
BBC_Z once pointed me to the 2+2 Forums, as they have a detailed breakdown on Poker Tracker and the % and where things "should" be.
As I was told, just cause you are in the range of where things should be, doesn't necessarily mean you will be a winning player.
From what I re-call, your pre-flop raise % should be approximately 1/2 of your VIP
FWIW, mine is a little over 8, with my VPIP a little over 18. As BBC says though, table texture is going to apply. A loose-passive table you can likely raise more for value preflop but you're going to be doing little to no stealing. As well, you're going to be getting great odds to enter pots with weaker hands in LP (which doesn't necessarily mean those are raising hands). As important as preflop hand selection is I think post-flop play is far more important anyways. Make sure you're playing well AFTER the flop (after all there's 3 betting rounds here vs. one before). I don't know how many times you see someone that plays well enough preflop that won't lay down a hand like QQ in the face of heavy flop action on a board of AKx.
I have the other problem but that's only because PT doesn't support tourney's on some of the sites I play on. WOW a preflop raise % of 8 -9.... I'm way below that.....
VP$IP 15.47
PFR 3.87
W$WSF 27.38
WTSDÂ Â 21.08
W$SDÂ Â 63.50
PTBB/100Â 13.85
Aggression factor of 1.66 not including preflop
Doesn't look like a calling station to me.
HOLY CRAP! That is tight? and your went to showdown is real low too, mines 30ish%. you only preflop raise 3/100 hands?? das bad stuff right dere! Are you raising 99? QTs from the button? cause if you're not, you're losing out on equity. Do you limp with aces, to get action? I"m around 20%/8%/AF:2.03 at 6bb/hr at 5c/10c
I agree with BBC, 63% win at SD seems absurdly high. Your post-flop aggression factor looks pretty passive as well. Do you raise big draws in big multiway pots for value? Are you constantly slow-playing sets? Do you call down with overpairs because you fear some idiot caught 2 pair? Do you make big laydowns on the river for one bet with decent hands in big pots because you "must be beat"? Don't get me wrong, tight is right, but you're squeaky tight. Read SSHE (OK that's a std response). It should up the aggression, and loosen you up a little.
I have read SSHE along with about a dozen other books. These stats are from Party Poker 25 & 50NL hold'em over 12K in hands. My stats over 20K hands on prima are about the same tho my pfr is a little higher and my WTSD a little lower but my BB/100 is about 10 instead of 16. The big laydowns on the river are strictly because I'm not going to call an all in with an over pair or top pair top kicker or even 2 pair depending on how the board looks. I find it funny that I can sit and fold 30 hands in a row grab AA or KK make an 12X BB bet preflop or reraise an original raiser and still get 3 callers and on occassion even get all in preflop. In a limit game it makes sense in a lot of occasions to call with a draw because your getting the odds too and a reraise is only 1 more bet to you. I will bet with my draws if I"m first one in or getting the odds to call otherwise I'm done.
AcidJoe - you should have specified your numbers are from NL games. I assumed (and I'm guessing I'm not the only one) that you were playing limit. SSHE focuses on Limit holdem. The percentages are going to look quite different in a NL player's pokertracker database.
You're right, you will be making more folds on the river, and should generally only be showing down when you have a good chance of winning. In Limit holdem, it will often be more profitable to call a river bet, so the W$SD % is going to be higher.
yes hork your right I probably should have said something about the games I play. My original post was directed to moose who is a long time friend. I didn't expect it to get into a big this is where your stats should be topic. I do appreciate the comments back but I have no idea where my stats are for limit as I only play that in the casino. I do know I'm up money despite todays loss at Rama.
Even so, you still rate as a mouse. Anyone running pokertracker against you would do the same as me - wait for a scare card - bet it like the nuts and watch you fold. Mice are easy to beat. I'm not saying mice can't be winning players but TAA's will eat you alive. And for no limit - your PFAF is crazy low. You can only get low that if you are calling instead of raising. Draws don't pay off in no limit so anytime you enter a pot it should be with a raise.
My std betting pattern against any mouse would be raise PF - you call. Bet the flop, even if I miss, watch you fold. If you call or raise, fold or check it down. Your WTSD% is so low I could bluff you successfully 4/5 times. I searched my pokertracker and I guess I never played you. Â
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BBC_Z once pointed me to the 2+2 Forums, as they have a detailed breakdown on Poker Tracker and the % and where things "should" be.
As I was told, just cause you are in the range of where things should be, doesn't necessarily mean you will be a winning player.
From what I re-call, your pre-flop raise % should be approximately 1/2 of your VIP
I don't really think so.. If I have a VPIP of 25% because my table is loose passive, I dont think 12% of my hands now become raiseable..
But post-flop is where the money's at baby...
there arent many stats that can tell you that you shoulda raised your flush draw with 4 callers.
Yes that's right - just 5 folds in 157 hands!
Crazy thing was he was actually up money.
also up money after about 60hands...... hrmmmmm
Anyone have this problem with importing hand histories ?
PFR%8.29
VPIP%24.07 ok I play low limit. At $1/2 I'm %22.92
Work in progress...
My stats are very tight
VP$IP 15.47
PFR 3.87
W$WSF 27.38
WTSD 21.08
W$SD 63.50
PTBB/100 13.85
Aggression factor of 1.66 not including preflop
Doesn't look like a calling station to me.
HOLY CRAP! That is tight? and your went to showdown is real low too, mines 30ish%. you only preflop raise 3/100 hands?? das bad stuff right dere! Are you raising 99? QTs from the button? cause if you're not, you're losing out on equity. Do you limp with aces, to get action? I"m around 20%/8%/AF:2.03 at 6bb/hr at 5c/10c
Too tight, agression factor a bit too low and you W$WSD is too high. Your PFR% is microscopic. You must only raise AA/KK/QQ/AKs preflop.
Learn to loosen up appropriately preflop and call that final bet on the river in large pots.
Because normally, the size of the pot dictates you should make a crying call on the river even when you think yer beat.
Scenario:
Pot holds 9BB on the river. Villain bets. Do you call?
If you think you have an 11% chance or better to win? Then you must call.
This lowers your W$WSD stat, yet your call was still profitable.
You're right, you will be making more folds on the river, and should generally only be showing down when you have a good chance of winning. In Limit holdem, it will often be more profitable to call a river bet, so the W$SD % is going to be higher.
I made the same assumption. Disregard previous comments (more applicable to limit).
My std betting pattern against any mouse would be raise PF - you call. Bet the flop, even if I miss, watch you fold. If you call or raise, fold or check it down. Your WTSD% is so low I could bluff you successfully 4/5 times. I searched my pokertracker and I guess I never played you. Â