analyze this
Late in 900 man tourny -141 left
Villan is a very strong, tight aggressive player
PokerStars Game #2468950777: Tournament #11805536, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2005/08/31 - 21:30:09 (ET)
Table '11805536 74' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: frodollars (55436 in chips)
Seat 2: Chow123 (51369 in chips)
Seat 3: aginamist (31887 in chips)
Seat 4: the_main (70552 in chips) (avg is about 45k)
Seat 6: Bkilla204 (13790 in chips)
Seat 7: ArbyG (17938 in chips)
Seat 8: puddy55 (128914 in chips)
Seat 9: Inthetrees (39752 in chips)
frodollars: posts the ante 100
Chow123: posts the ante 100
aginamist: posts the ante 100
the_main: posts the ante 100
Bkilla204: posts the ante 100
ArbyG: posts the ante 100
puddy55: posts the ante 100
Inthetrees: posts the ante 100
the_main: posts small blind 1000
Bkilla204: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to the_main [Ts As]
ArbyG: folds
puddy55: folds
Inthetrees: raises 2000 to 4000
frodollars: calls 4000
Chow123: folds
aginamist: folds
the_main: calls 3000
Bkilla204: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Ac Ah]
the_main: bets 5000
Inthetrees: folds
frodollars: calls 5000
*** TURN *** [6h Ac Ah] [6c]
the_main: checks
frodollars: bets 6000
the_main: calls 6000 (reraise?)
*** RIVER *** [6h Ac Ah 6c] [4s]
the_main: bets 12000 (half the pot... would you check it here?)
frodollars: folds
the_main collected 36800 from pot
the_main: doesn't show hand
any one think of a better line to extract more chips??
Villan is a very strong, tight aggressive player
PokerStars Game #2468950777: Tournament #11805536, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2005/08/31 - 21:30:09 (ET)
Table '11805536 74' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: frodollars (55436 in chips)
Seat 2: Chow123 (51369 in chips)
Seat 3: aginamist (31887 in chips)
Seat 4: the_main (70552 in chips) (avg is about 45k)
Seat 6: Bkilla204 (13790 in chips)
Seat 7: ArbyG (17938 in chips)
Seat 8: puddy55 (128914 in chips)
Seat 9: Inthetrees (39752 in chips)
frodollars: posts the ante 100
Chow123: posts the ante 100
aginamist: posts the ante 100
the_main: posts the ante 100
Bkilla204: posts the ante 100
ArbyG: posts the ante 100
puddy55: posts the ante 100
Inthetrees: posts the ante 100
the_main: posts small blind 1000
Bkilla204: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to the_main [Ts As]
ArbyG: folds
puddy55: folds
Inthetrees: raises 2000 to 4000
frodollars: calls 4000
Chow123: folds
aginamist: folds
the_main: calls 3000
Bkilla204: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Ac Ah]
the_main: bets 5000
Inthetrees: folds
frodollars: calls 5000
*** TURN *** [6h Ac Ah] [6c]
the_main: checks
frodollars: bets 6000
the_main: calls 6000 (reraise?)
*** RIVER *** [6h Ac Ah 6c] [4s]
the_main: bets 12000 (half the pot... would you check it here?)
frodollars: folds
the_main collected 36800 from pot
the_main: doesn't show hand
any one think of a better line to extract more chips??
Comments
i think this bet would be better used if i was on a complete blufff.... not with a made hand
prehaps an overbet (even an all in) might have a better chance of being called
FLOP: I dont really like the flop bet. I think the PFR with any pocket pair is going to bet the flop for you, and your pretty much stuck paying off a better ace anyways. Your giving them clear odds to call with a flush draw, and letting them dump their KQ, KJ type hands for cheap. I check raise here.
TURN: Well...now were in a WAY ahead or likely chopping scenario. I think under betting the pot here to keep a medium pocket pair or flush draw kicking around is the best scenario. It may also induce the coldcaller to represent an ace and come over the top with their 6, K high or pocket pair.
Once you checked, I think calling is clearly the best play. Its unlikely he can call a raise with a hand you have beat...unless hes a donk of course. Im calling with the intention of leading any river.
RIVER: Id either overbet or underbet the pot significantly. I want to make my river bet as suspcious as possible. Personally, I prefer betting small...as much I think he can call with 6, K high or medium pair.
This is a great flop but you still have to be worried about bigger Ace. I am going to put out a bet now. I probably go pot size or close to it...$5,000 is okay but 7,000 - 9,000 would be better.
This smooth call is saying two things to me. Big Ace or KK-JJ possibly 66. I proceed with caution.
Ding, ding, ding. Now you just caught up to all hands that beat you except quads but I am not good enough to get away from my hand now.
As bad as I want to check here I think you need to fire. Any and all aces will normally check here. I think another bet looks more like a steal. Most players will think you have a pocket pair larger than sixes or be trying to fire your second bullet with your steal attempt at this pot. Checking isn't terrible since the villain will almost always fire but by betting it will give the villain a chance to come over the top of you with hands like KK-JJ and maybe even worse.
I think to try and extract the most chips now you have to smooth call here with intention of check-raising the river.
Almost any bet here screams Aces full after check calling the turn. I think another check would make things very hard for the villain not to take another shot at this pot with a weaker hand. If they check behind you then probably fold to any bet you make here.
I really think the best way to extract the most chips is to continue firing even after you make your hand. There was a post a while back by CanadaKev that said something to the effect that slow playing is pretty much a thing of the past and that almost every player is expecting a slow play. I have taken those words to hart and I am continuing to benefit from it. Sure there are times you will miss out bets the villain makes on the turn when you check to them but the times they try to pick you off with lesser hands because they think your bet into them is a bluff will pick up many more chips IMO.
I would push all in and make it look like an overbet. He may be sitting with a 6 and still think his hand is good.
Just my two cents.
If you mean you would push on the flop...you will usualy only be called by hands that beat you (and in this case dominates you).
If you mean you would push on the turn...it might work but I think you are losing the oppertunity to pick up more chips if you bet a normal amount. I would say that half to three quarters of the pot would seem about right. See by pushing you eliminate the possiblity for the villian to make a play at you with a worse hand and therefore making the villian decide (for all their chips) whether they think they have the best hand or not.
If he has an ace he will call. If he has a 6, he may think you have KK or another large pair and call.
Put yourself in his position, If you see a large overbet, you will think one of two things.
1. Why bet so much, if he has an ace why wouldn't he check or make a value bet.
2. Over bet, he must just have a large pair
or possibly a 3rd thought, he is a sneaky bastard!
Either way if I am the Villain, you are not getting another dime out of me unless i have the A.
Let me throw something else out at you. If you make a value bet and he pushes all in, you call and shows you the other two sixes.
Would you post a bad beat story or just unlucky? You are thinking you are playing him, sometimes the tables are turned.
Losing to quads is far from a bad beat! I am know where near good enough to put an opponenet on exactly two cards. I may like to try too but I think even Doyle says in the SSI that if you run into quads you just have to pay up.
the turn check screams strength...
i like another bet of 5k, underbetting the pot... i think this makes me seem far more weak....
this is also a perfect setup for a quick check on the river
any hand that he is willing to call me with, would surly bet this river (an ace or a six) -- anything else, he is folding to a bet (aside maybe a mid/high pocket)
obviously i check raise this river - most likely all in
The way you played the hand checking the turn, I would also check the river. That would scream weakness and let him try and steel, or make a weak bet you can c/r with a sucker bet.
Checking the turn then betting the river tells him you have it. But it shows everyone your bets mean weakness and checks strength.
Lets face it if he has quads, your losing 55k in chips.
But on the other hand, depending on what the table is playing like you probably have allot of tight/passive players at this level. Obviously if you have allot of maniacs/aggressive players then this won't work, nor does it need to. Depending on the situation hers what I do;
Since your probably going to be at this table a while, I would be betting the flop, the turn and the river. AND advertising this hand. The pot here is 3900 each hand. You want to start building your stack and your getting 5% of it with each hand. For me, now is the time to shift up a bit and start slamming pots. Your in a perfect position to set up bets on the turn and river, You have the button comming as well. You only have one stack ahead of you and your a threat to anyones stack crippling them, you can afford to be frisky. Maybe three or for rounds then you'll have to slow down uit you could easily pick up 25K- 40k and set youself up with a monster, where your going to get action.
You might lose an extra bet on this hand, BUT your going to make it up on the next couple of rounds.