Hand for Review How not to go broke here

AcidJoeAcidJoe
in Brags, Beats & Variance
Is there anyway not to go broke on this hand?  While the flop worried me due to the straight the turn certainly fixed that worry.  I guess the only thing is even playing the hand in early position, however there was lots of limping and calling of minimum raises going on which is demostrated by 8 people seeing the minimum raise.

*** Export for: AcidJoe Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 467781736 ***
Date: 8/22/2005 11:52:39 AM
Game: 467781736: Table: Loch Ordie
Normal Table No Limit 0.20/0.40
Rake: 0.30
Seat: 1 AcidJoe         
Seat: 2 Wrath3         
Seat: 3 svalle86       
Seat: 4 setoAA         
Seat: 5 Morde           
Seat: 6 play5           (Dealer)
Seat: 7 Tverin         
Seat: 9 earlyLou       
Seat: 10 misak82         
OpeningBetRound
Tverin         : Posts small blind 0.10
earlyLou       : Posts big blind 0.20
misak82        : Folds
AcidJoe        : Calls for 0.20
Wrath3         : Folds
svalle86       : Calls for 0.20
Morde          : Calls for 0.20
play5          : Raises for 0.40
Tverin         : Calls for 0.30
earlyLou       : Calls for 0.20
AcidJoe        : Calls for 0.20
svalle86       : Calls for 0.20
Morde          : Calls for 0.20
Flop    10 :h:, Q :s:, J :c:   Was worried about the straight however with 2 pair had to see that bet. 
Tverin         : Bets 2.60
earlyLou       : Folds
AcidJoe        : Calls for 2.60
svalle86       : Calls for 2.60
Morde          : Folds
play5          : Folds
Turn    Q :h:       Now a boat so I thought I was good. 
Tverin         : Checks
AcidJoe        : Bets 6.00
svalle86       : Folds
Tverin         : Raises for 12.00
AcidJoe        : Calls for 6.00
River      10 :s:       
Tverin         : Went all-in 4.70
AcidJoe        : Calls for 4.70
Showdown
AcidJoe         [ Q :s:, Q :h:, Q :c:, 10 :h:, 10 :c:  - Fullhouse ]
Tverin          [ Q :s:, Q :h:, Q :d:, J :c:, J :h: - Fullhouse ]
Result
Tverin          Showed Cards (Winning) 43.30
earlyLou        Mucked Cards
misak82         Mucked Cards
AcidJoe         Showed Cards
Wrath3          Mucked Cards
svalle86        Mucked Cards
Morde           Mucked Cards
play5           Mucked Cards
Community Cards
[ 10 :h:, Q :s:, J :c:, Q :h:, 10 :s: ]
Players Cards
Tverin [ Q :d:, J  :h:]
earlyLou [ -, - ]
misak82 [ -, - ]
AcidJoe [ Q :c:, 10 :c: ]
Wrath3 [ -, - ]
svalle86 [ -, - ]
Morde [ -, - ]
play5 [ -, - ]
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Comments

  • MickeyHoldemMickeyHoldem
    Tverin's c/r on the turn screams big hand... but hey.... who's gonna toss a boat away now... I go broke too... I likely put in a big raise on the flop, around the size of the pot after Tverin's bet... when he calls, if he checks the turn, I likely check behind him... but he's gonna go all-in on the river again, and I call.... who throws a boat away... who? anyone? anyone??
  • ChugsChugs
    i actually likely reraise him his last chips on the turn, but still obviously lose.

    there is a grand total of 1 hand (three ways) that can even theoretically beat you and countless ones that lose to you but would be happy to get all their chips in the middle.

    i think you really shouldn't question anything once you called the flop bet and hit a boat. i think short of the guy lifting his cards and showing you them (i realize this is online), no way you don't put your money in the center
  • the_mainthe_main
    i lose all my chips, you lose all your chips, we all lose all our chips
  • RAM_EhRAM_Eh
    chips for everyone but JOE
  • AcidJoeAcidJoe
    Dead Money wrote:
    chips for everyone but JOE

    Thanks dead..... In retro spect I guess there is no way not to lose a ton. But when I catch marginal hands and push I always seem to get grabbed. Usually it's playing mid suited connectors and losing to a larger flush tho. Thanks everyone who took the time to post.
  • literationliteration
    Yes I think I played someone on Stars who would.  Unfortunately, about 6 months ago, he taught me the meaning of underboat.
    MickeyHoldem wrote:
    .... who throws a boat away... who? anyone? anyone??
  • CrazyJoe113CrazyJoe113
    ya, some full houses you can get away from in the right circumstances, i cant see TOO many (but still some) in a fixed limit game but in an NL game you should be able to get away from some full houses FOR SURE in NL if the stacks are deep.

    example.

    YOU : 55
    Flop : A5Q - lots of action on flop
    Turn : A - more action
    River: irrelevant - other player moves all in in a very deep stack game, you can probably but him on QQ or AQ or A+(river card pairing kicker) if he's a good player


    PS. To clarify, i don't think OP's full house is one that should have been folded, i go broke here too
  • waderwader
    I fold to his check raise on the turn, since I put him on QJ.
  • waderwader
    Just kiddin.......I go BROKE
  • kalozdikalozdi
    perhaps i am reading this incorrectly but q :c: 10 :c: is fold for me in early position
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    Tverin : Posts small blind 0.10
    earlyLou : Posts big blind 0.20
    misak82 : Folds
    AcidJoe : Calls for 0.20
    Wrath3 : Folds
    svalle86 : Calls for 0.20
    Morde : Calls for 0.20
    play5 : Raises for 0.40
    Tverin : Calls for 0.30
    earlyLou : Calls for 0.20
    AcidJoe : Calls for 0.20
    svalle86 : Calls for 0.20
    Morde : Calls for 0.20
    perhaps i am reading this incorrectly but q club 10 club is fold for me in early position

    You are ignoring table conditions.. We got 7 players to the flop here with a great implied odds hand. I'm going to assume the table's been playing this way the entire time Hero was there, so whats wrong with limping a big suited one gapper in EP?
  • Dave ScharfDave Scharf
    I don't have anything to add.

    The only way to escape from second nuts, regardless of whether it's a boat or a flush or whatever, is if the chips are deep and there has been sufficient betting to define your hand. It's rare. Especially in a low limit online games in which you might expect that the calibre of opponent is such that there are lots of goofy plays they might make.
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