Hand Review- Live tourny

BigBoss

ok I just got back from a live tourny at the local club an wanted to see how other ppl would have played it.
There are 4 tables of 7 an the top 2 from each table goes to the final table
Blinds are 20/40 with 6 players left

Im holding Ace/ 10 Clubs

pre-flop there is a raise of 75 to my left which is the BB, 3 callers

Flop comes 3 Clubs, 5 Clubs, 10 red

the original raiser bets out 300, I come over the top for another 800,
the orginal raiser is all in for another 290, the other player calls all in for less

My question is was I being to aggrastive to come over the top with my flush draw top pair? Should I have flat called the 300 an seen the next card or was my play reasonable. Now take it if I call I will have a commanding chip lead going into the final table along with takening out 2 players. Will post the results after some feedback.

NurseHoliday

You were too aggressive. You are drawing to the nut flush, and clearly the original raiser is trying to scare away the flush draws to protect his overpair (he should have bet more). But my view is that if you don't make your flush, your hand is no good. You are risking your tournament on a draw - it's the old standby - in NO LIMIT, don't put in a raise if you can't stomach a monster reraise. If you are okay going all in on your draw then your raise wasn't so bad, but when the chips are deep I would avoid such a play for a more desperate hour. Certainly open to being shot down here by the resident experts......

westside8

You were abit too aggressive. Even though you have a nut flush draw and holding top pair with a very good kicker, it seems the original raiser has a overpair. I would've flat out call the original bet of 300. Now that you have gone over the top, and it is only another 300 to call, I would make that final call with already so much chips in the pot with the possibility of taking 2 players out.
The only way I would've played the way you played, was that you were confident that the other raiser only has a draw as well or two over-cards.

Psi

Does he have a set of 10s? No
Does he have a set of 5s ? Maybe
Does he have a set of 3s ? unlikely

If all of those answers are 'No' you played this perfectly.

Worst case is the set, next worse is AA (which is very likely).
You have 2 outs for 10s and 8 outs for clubs.
Roughly 40% to win.

If your A is live, you get another 3 outs, meaning you end up with 13 outs and 50/50 to win vs the over pair.

Getting 2-1 on a hand that's a 50% win ratio is good!

ScottyZ

I don't understand the pre-flop action. ATs is a perfectly good limping hand, but I wouldn't want to get too heavily involved with this hand pre-flop facing a raise.

After the flop, I probably would move all-in at the first opportunity. Again, the action on the flop is not clearly described, so it might depend.

I prefer playing this flop as aggressively as possible. You are probably at least a tiny favorite against anyone who calls you. Depending on the buy-in amount, you may even be a monster favorite against some of the hands that will call you. For example, if you feel that you are in a game where no-one would ever fold top pair, moving all-in is an easy decision.

However, the main reason I'd prefer to get the money in now is implied odds. Specifically, the fact that your own implied odds are essentially nil.1 Any card that helps your own hand will probably look like a scare card to your opponents.

Furthermore, you are really putting yourself in a difficult situation on the turn if you merely call a bet on the flop. Are you planning on folding to a turn bet if a brick comes off? With only one card to come, your odds of improving are dramatically reduced, but you are still going to have a powerhouse draw and some chance of even currently having the best hand.

The combination of prefering that my opponents fold and realizing I probably will not be folding to a bet on the turn no matter what card comes off would lead me to move all-in on top of the $300 bet. Picking up the pot immediately would be a great result, and if you are called, your hand is extremely unlikely to be in bad shape.

ScottyZ

1Against good players. However, poor players will call your all-in flop bet with hands like T9, so it's also worth moving all-in on the flop against them purely for value.

BigBoss

to make this a little more clear, When I raised another 800 on top of his 300 on the flop I thought I had put him all in, he was 1st to act and had another stack of about 300 behind his bigger stacks. I was playing a player that would play any junk. Im pretty sure he would have called it with any card on board, hell he was raising with J9 in EP so the preflop raise didn't scare me off with my marginal hand. the buyin was $50 top 2 gets paid unless there is a final table deal. The final result was original raiser in the BB flips over QQ and the other caller has 98 clubs, I miss everything an left with about 300 an bust out a few hands later. I feel i made a play that wasn't nessaray at the momemt but if I would have hit the cards I would have had a commanding lead so it was worth the risk.

Psi

%s post flop
A10c 47.8%
98c 4.1%
QQ (without a club) 48.1%

I'm taking that shot.