Howard Lederer. Please explain his move.
I can't recall what series it is. Howard had won the first game.
At the table was Phil Ivy, Barry Greenstien, Cloutier, Doyle Brunson, Howard Lederer, Chan, Gus Hansan and "Chip" Reese.
Howard had taken a hit on chip stack and on a hand with K7 (preflop I believe) he pushed all in (sorry, I don't recall if there were any raises) with Gus Hansan still to act. Gus called (had AK) and won the hand knocking Howard out.
I let out a loud "WTF" (censored cause the kids were around) and the announcers started saying how they disagreed with the move. I completely missed Howard justifying the move in the brief post mortem.
If anyone had watched it or knows about what happened can they give some insight as to why Howard did what he did when he did? I don't think it was a case of being so short stacked that he had to make a move.
DISCLAIMER: Howard Lederer is a great amazing player. Pre deal he would make me his poker bitch. I'm just a bit confused as to what he was doing with this particular hand.
At the table was Phil Ivy, Barry Greenstien, Cloutier, Doyle Brunson, Howard Lederer, Chan, Gus Hansan and "Chip" Reese.
Howard had taken a hit on chip stack and on a hand with K7 (preflop I believe) he pushed all in (sorry, I don't recall if there were any raises) with Gus Hansan still to act. Gus called (had AK) and won the hand knocking Howard out.
I let out a loud "WTF" (censored cause the kids were around) and the announcers started saying how they disagreed with the move. I completely missed Howard justifying the move in the brief post mortem.
If anyone had watched it or knows about what happened can they give some insight as to why Howard did what he did when he did? I don't think it was a case of being so short stacked that he had to make a move.
DISCLAIMER: Howard Lederer is a great amazing player. Pre deal he would make me his poker bitch. I'm just a bit confused as to what he was doing with this particular hand.
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Anyone know more about how the series actually works?
I believe they're doing a few tourneys to lead up to a "grand daddy" tournament, where their chip stacks are based on their previous placings, so first place earns you several thousand chips for the final, where eigth gets you maybe a few hunderd. I think each of these guys plunked down some cash, and then the winner of the big one takes the lion's share.
I think mostly it was a draw at the fact that you can see some of the greatest go at each other for a few weeks in a row.
Mark
No, no. It was 75 s0000ted.
No-limit hand analysis is difficult in isolation.
My interpretation was that Gus had been raising so many pots that Howard was, by way of counter-strategy, re-raising Gus with a lot of hands, often all-in.
Don't forget, this is TV coverage of poker. What you didn't see was all of the times when it went (Gus) raise, (Howard) re-raise all-in, (Gus) fold. I'll bet Howard made this kind of play with much worse hands than K7.
Howard's play also generated a side benefit of creating a "wacky" table image when going up against Gus. In a different episode, Howard makes a big all-in raise with AK. Gus calls him with KJ, probably even a reasonable play itself considered as a counter-counter-strategy to Howard moving all-in on him a lot.
ScottyZ
Any chance you can post the article (with full props to cardplayer) for us people protected from certain parts of the evil internet?
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:BQjWvCFpzzUJ:www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php%3Fa_id%3D14491%26m_id%3D65554+&hl=en
As far as I can tell, this article has nothing to do with the tournament that the OP was talking about.
ScottyZ
stp
Your placing in Games 1 and 2 determines the number of chips you recieve at the start of Game 3. (For example, first place in Games 1 and 2 earns 250,000 chips while last gets 32,000.. so, if you placed first in game 1 and last in game 2, you'd start Game 3 with 282,000 chips)
Games 4 and 5, similarly determine the starting chips for game 6.
Finally, your placing in Games 3 and 6 determine the number of chips you start with in the final game number 7, which is the one for the cash. So, the only real purpose of the first 6 games is earning you chips for the final game.
From http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14491&m_id=65554:
The man behind the creation of Poker Superstars is Henry Orenstein. (He’s also the guy who patented the under-the-table camera for poker, whereby viewers can see the players’ holecards.) Assisting Henry in putting Poker Superstars together were two longtime poker professionals, Mori Eskandani and Eric Drache. Their mission was to give players exposure, create multiple opportunities for them to play, and create exciting poker for television. Mission accomplished.
Let me explain why this was such a unique event. First, the buy-in was $40,000 per player, but $750,000 was added to the prize pool. That was good. The format consisted of a series of tournaments in which players qualified to advance, and viewers will be able to follow these players throughout the year.
The structure was designed to enhance play and create fast-moving, exciting poker on television. The blinds went up every 12 minutes, which meant you had to play. That may seem like a total crapshoot to you, but by utilizing a 30-second “shot clock†(the amount of time that players had to act on their hands), it wasn’t as bad as you might think. For the record, I love the 30-second shot clock. It makes for a much better poker game. (This “shot clock†reminded me of my Army days, when my drill sergeant used to say, “There are two kinds of bayonet fighters, the quick and the dead.â€)
To start, all players played six sixhanded tournaments with randomly drawn opponents, and were awarded points (10, 7, 5, 3, 1, 0) according to where they finished, from first to sixth. The top 16 point-getters at the end of the six matches (the regular season) advanced to the next round (the playoffs).
In the playoffs, the 16 qualifiers were divided into four groups of four players, and were seeded according to their points from the regular season. Each group then played two freezeouts with the same lineup, and the top two point-getters from each group moved on to the final eight. First place in each of these freezeouts was worth 10 points; second place, 7 points; third place, 4 points; and fourth place, 0 points.
It's the one Zithal outlined.
Since we're in Canada, it may very well be the "Poker Superstars Invitational" or whatever that's on Sportsnet right now, but probably it's not the up-to-date season. (The current season might be the one whose format is outlined in the Card Player article.)
ScottyZ
I agree with this statement, but they actually had a snippet of an iterview with HL where he was talking about how to play against Gus. They did show a lot of these raise-fold hands to make that point. But you are correct, this was probably also done for the sake of TV and to make a story out of that. This is actually the exact reason why I hate survivor .... so why do I still watch poker?
was likely the reason. With those people you mentioned at the table he must have figured he was short stacked enough. He had to push to get lucky to try to win it. Well....he had a K didn't he?