A question for all_aces, or anyone who can answer

Before my question, I just want to mention how your WSOP 05 trip reports were awesome!, a thrilling read, thanks all_aces!

Anyways, on several hands, you described plays where you would make 3bet re-steals, a play I am very jeleous of. When you hold rags, and you miss the flop, you are check-raised, you must have an encredible read to be able to three bet.
Aslo, do you ever miss read, your opponent caps it, and you are forced to fold?
Finally, is this play neccessary in succeeding in limit tournies, or would you ever try this play in a ring game?

Thanks,

Irah

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  • Irah wrote:
    Before my question, I just want to mention how your WSOP 05 trip reports were awesome!, a thrilling read, thanks all_aces!

    Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the reports.  And, I'm impressed that you made it all the way through them.
    When you hold rags, and you miss the flop, you are check-raised, you must have an encredible read to be able to three bet.

    To be honest, it's not so much a physical read on my opponent as an aquired familiarity of how he plays.  If I've played enough pots against an opponent, I can generally get a sense of his style, unless he's a world class pro, and he's changing his game up every few hands.  In some cases, I figured my opponents were trying the flop check-raise bluff to knock me off my hand, which was in some cases very very weak.  I can sometimes put them on this move, and defend with a re-re-steal.  If I'm wrong, it's expensive, but if I'm right, it's satisfying.
    Aslo, do you ever miss read, your opponent caps it, and you are forced to fold?

    Yes, although I may not have misread the move.  My opponent may have put me on a re-re-steal, and stuck to his first impression that my hand was weak, and caps it for a re-re-re-steal.  I can't think on that many levels yet, so I'd be forced to give up the hand at some point.  Some players wouldn't, but I'm not there.
    Finally, is this play neccessary in succeeding in limit tournies, or would you ever try this play in a ring game?

    I believe that yes, these types of plays are necessary as way of manufacturing chips.  If you're getting hit with the deck, you don't have to take these kinds of chances, but most of the time you won't be getting hit with the deck.  There are plenty of other ways to build your stack as well: randomly raising with rags, etc.  If your timing is off for whatever reason, though, you'll lose a lot of chips.  And finally, I tend not to get this tricky in most ring games.  If I'm up against particularly tough competition, though, and I choose not to leave the game for whatever reason, I have to think outside the box a little to stay even or better.
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