is there a difference btwn a string bet and string raise?

ConfusedONE

is there a difference btwn a string bet and string raise?

Flint Bones

I would say, "No."

They are the same thing, since when you string bet you are raising the bet.

sinc

Yea the only way for it to be a string raise or bet is if you are making some sort of raise.

tpfelt

A string raise often occurs when you put chips in the pot that would constitute a call (more than 0, less than 2x the bet) and then reach back for more chips to raise. Or when you verbally declare, I call and raise X. If a player declares raise before moving chips into play, he can return to his stack as much as he would like.

A string bet occurs when a player with no bet ahead of him puts some chips in play and then reaches back for more chips to add to his bet. I think if a player declares bet he is then entitled to return to his stack to get more chips.

Of course, I don't play at the casino too much, so I may be slightly off in my interpretation.

CanadaKev

A string raise is illegal.
A string bet doesn't really exist.  When you open the pot for a bet, never will it be deemed a string anything.
A bet can be as stringy as you want, say tossing one chip at a time for 4 tosses to open betting on the flop at the 20-40 game.

ScottyZ

...when you put chips in the pot that would constitute a call (more than 0, less than 2x the bet)...

Say the bet is $100 to you and you put in $150 in chips without saying anything. Some places would consider this as a call, some would consider it a raise. In limit poker, this is almost always be ruled a call.1 I have seen it ruled 3 different ways in NL: must be a call, must be a minimum raise, must be a raise but can be a raise to any amount.

If a player declares raise before moving chips into play, he can return to his stack as much as he would like.

I've seen various different rulings in this situation also, all the way from being forced to make the minimum raise when the call amount is placed in (i.e. one trip to the stack only but the verbal raise is binding), to allowing multiple trips back and forth to the stack.

is there a difference btwn a string bet and string raise?

There is not a fundamental difference between these two things. Confusion likely occurs because it is very common to always refer to it a "string bet" when the situation comes up, regardless of whether the action was an attempt to make a bet or a raise.

ScottyZ

1On the other hand betting short in a limit game, as CanadaKev described, is almost always ruled a bet. These two short betting rules in limit poker are technically inconsistent with each other, but are quite intuitive as they stand.

tpfelt

As an extension of the string raise idea, I discovered a new rule when I was in Vegas. If you place a larger denomination chip in the pot (a $5 chip in a $2 blind game) without declaring your action it is considered a call and not a raise. I threw $5 in as a raise at a 1/2 NL table and was given change and not allowed to raise because I did not declare it.

Flint Bones

As an extension of the string raise idea, I discovered a new rule when I was in Vegas. If you place a larger denomination chip in the pot (a $5 chip in a $2 blind game) without declaring your action it is considered a call and not a raise. I threw $5 in as a raise at a 1/2 NL table and was given change and not allowed to raise because I did not declare it.

That's a common practise. A common rule of thumb is to always announce your play.

ScottyZ

tpfelt wrote:

As an extension of the string raise idea, I discovered a new rule when I was in Vegas. If you place a larger denomination chip in the pot (a $5 chip in a $2 blind game) without declaring your action it is considered a call and not a raise. I threw $5 in as a raise at a 1/2 NL table and was given change and not allowed to raise because I did not declare it.

This is known as the "one chip rule", and this rule is very standard. A single chip (or bill) placed into the pot when facing a bet is considered to be a call unless stated otherwise.

A simple strategy I use so that I don't have to worry about this rule is to never bet (or raise to) the amount of one chip. In a $1-$2 NL game, my standard opening raise is to $6. As long as you are putting two or more chips into the pot, this will be interpreted as a raise even if you do not say "raise".

ScottyZ

BBC Z

ScottyZ wrote:

This is known as the "one chip rule", and this rule is very standard. A single chip (or bill) placed into the pot when facing a bet is considered to be a call unless stated otherwise.

Interestingly enough, this came up while I was in Atlantic City (Borgata)..

A guy disgustingly tossed a single chip into the pot preflop (after suffering a monster suckout previous hand).. The chip hit the table and about a nanosecond later, the player said "Raise".

Dealer ruled it a call because hit chip touched felt before the verbal action was declared. I told the dealer that his intention was pretty obvious and his raise should stand. Dealer sticks to his ruling. Now I've already folded my hand and don't feel like arguing with him or calling the floor over myself, so I tell the 'raiser' to call the floor. He doesn't and we continue on..

Anyway, the moral of this story is that anytime you are going for a single chip as an action, make sure you verbally declare it..

Oh, and the 'raiser'? Yeah he had Aces that got cracked by like 82o that got a free ride to the flop. Needless to say, he had some choice words for the table as he left.

tpfelt

I think I made the bet $5 because I didn't really have any dollar chips left in front of me. And I probably didn't declare because I was drunk and it was 8am in the morning (after waking up the previous day at 8am et, putting in a full day of work and then flying out to Vegas). Usually I'm pretty good about declaring my action

ScottyZ

...I was drunk and it was 8am in the morning

In that case, it may have been best to just call anyway.

ScottyZ