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Dying to play in London.....
I might have to move to KW. You guys seem to have a game almost every godamn nite. I cannot find a game in London so I have to resort to driving to Brantford Sunday nights and playing from about midnite to 4am. I work at a bar 5 nights a week and only have Wed & Sun off.
I don't mean to whine but Holy Makinaw! It's so frustrating...I think that I'll have to drive down to
the pit on a Sunday so you can take my money.
Are any of you guys and girls going to play at the Elgin Poker Classic? It's taking place on Sunday July 31st & Monday Aug 1st. You can register online @ quaiduvin.com.
P.S. Saw an interesting thing Sunday night playing the $2-$5 table. 2 guys were in a showdown. Player#1 showed 2 pair, player#2 shows only player #1 his trips and mucks his cards. Dealer grabs the mucked cards. Player#2 gets angry and states that he won the hand. He further states that he put his cards in front of him face up which was a bald faced lie. Neither the dealer or any of us saw the trips except player#1. Player#1 was quite the gentleman and gave the pot to player#2.
During the discussion between the dealer and the player my thoughts were that if I placed my cards facedown in error I would be too bloody embarrased to even think that I should be awarded the pot.
If you were player#2 how do you think you would of handled the situation?
I don't mean to whine but Holy Makinaw! It's so frustrating...I think that I'll have to drive down to
the pit on a Sunday so you can take my money.
Are any of you guys and girls going to play at the Elgin Poker Classic? It's taking place on Sunday July 31st & Monday Aug 1st. You can register online @ quaiduvin.com.
P.S. Saw an interesting thing Sunday night playing the $2-$5 table. 2 guys were in a showdown. Player#1 showed 2 pair, player#2 shows only player #1 his trips and mucks his cards. Dealer grabs the mucked cards. Player#2 gets angry and states that he won the hand. He further states that he put his cards in front of him face up which was a bald faced lie. Neither the dealer or any of us saw the trips except player#1. Player#1 was quite the gentleman and gave the pot to player#2.
During the discussion between the dealer and the player my thoughts were that if I placed my cards facedown in error I would be too bloody embarrased to even think that I should be awarded the pot.
If you were player#2 how do you think you would of handled the situation?
Comments
Meaning the dealer CAN pull the cards out of the muck IF he can distinguish which two cards they were.
Player 1 had a monster hand, he excitedly tossed the 2 cards onto the table, in mid air one of the cards flipped over landing face down on the table. He reached for it to turn it back over and the losing player started complaining loudly that it was a mucked card and that it had to stay mucked. Eventually the Sup came over and awarded the pot to player 1, with a warning to be careful when putting the cards down on the table. The losing player continued his complaining to no avail and finally left the table.
Shortly after that I flopped a Royal Flush, when I placed my cards on the table you would have though I was performing delicate surgery, I was so gentle in placing them down and making sure they were across the line so as to not be confused with mucked cards.
As Scotty said, always protect your cards all the way to the table. Never nonchalantly toss them at the dealer unless you mean to muck them. Some people are sticklers for rules.
I had K/J in sb and limped in.
Flop came down J/6/3, I bet out, he raised, I called.
Turn 10.
Again I bet he raised, I called. I put him on a bigger pair now and would just check call.
River, blank.
I checked, he bet, I called.
I was instructed to open first since I was first to act, I tried to use a bit of a flip move with my wrist, both cards landed face down in front of me.
Dealer IMMEDIATELY grabbed them and threw them into the muck.
I FREAKED saying asking why my hand was mucked, she said because they landed face down ...
I called the Pit Boss within seconds of her 'claiming' that I intentionally mucked my cards.
The Pit Boss 'claimed' she saw the whole situation, and said I mucked.
...
Okay, everyone THINK here for a second ... I check / CALLED the river ... why would I MUCK FIRST?!?!?!?
The Pit Boss wouldn't answer this question and I was close to ask for it to be checked on the camera as it was claimed that my cards touched the muck ... which is completely UNTRUE and 1/2 the table also said they never touched the muck until the dealer grabbed my cards.
End of story, my opponent had Ks ... had me beat, but the lack of any sort of inteligence from the employee's pissed me off, I left right away knowing I was titling HARD and wouldn't ever tip that dumb dealer again.
you tip one dealer, you tip them all.
The usual convention is that the last aggressive player should open his/her cards first. The dealer should have either instructed your opponent to open first, or made a general "let's see your cards" remark directed at neither player.
This is probably the correct thing for the dealer to do at most cardrooms. A player is required to protect his/her own cards and correctly table them face up at a showdown if they wish to claim a portion of the pot. Releasing your cards from your hand (causing any sort of movement in the cards) and having at least one of them fall to the table face down is a failure to meet those requirements.
Your hand should generally be dead immediately upon the cards coming to rest with one or both of them face down. However, at Brantford, there seems to be a big "it depends" so keep reading.
I also saw the following Brantford a while ago. Board contains two Queens at the river, and a player in Seat 1 correctly tables an AT for Ace-high. Seat 7 says "I have a Queen" then hums and haws for a second. A third active player in Seat 8 mucks his hand. Seat 7 then holds his cards in the air facing towards the dealer. Then, Seat 7 tosses his cards face down a few inches forward, landing nearby but not touching Seat 8's already mucked cards.
At that point, the dealer got slightly distracted. She then looked back to the table, and mechanically gathered Seat 7's and Seat 8's hands into the muck. I brace for the fireworks.
But no fireworks. Dealer pauses for a second after beginning to push the pot to the AT. She then pushes it over to the guy who had flashed the Queen in the air. Dealer makes a comment that it is enough at Brantford that the dealer sees the hole cards for the pot to be awarded, regardless of them being mucked face down.
So, what are the rules about mucking cards at Brantford? I honestly haven't the foggiest idea.
The real question here is why is your opponent being such a jerk and slowrolling you with the KK?
The bottom line here is that just about anything can happen at any time when rulings are left up to human beings. Protect your cards and table your cards face up carefully and you'll never have to put the decisions about the pots you should win in anyone else's hands.
ScottyZ
Anyone who throws their cards in the middle of the table after the showdown is asking for trouble. Alot of times cards will get mixed up and the dealer has no clue who's cards belong to who.
I was new and cocky back in the day when this happened (I think this was my first 'bad' session).
But it did teach me not to let others determine your face on the green felt!
This is certainly possible. As I already mentioned, I currently have no idea what the correct procedure is in Brantford for mucked hands simply because I've seen so many different versions of the rule used.
Slowrolling means taking an excessive amount of time to show the (probable) winning hand at the showdown. (This is different than slowplaying.)
Since the KK made the last aggressive bet (and so is supposed to show his hand first) and also has to feel that his/her chances of winning are excellent, I'd generally consider it slowrolling to delay showing the hand at all at the showdown. Although, to be fair in this case (and it's why I put the winky-wink smiley), the dealer had a great deal of influence on this showdown since he/she asked the other player to show cards first. I can't really blame the KK for not showing the hole cards quickly because of that.
ScottyZ
My bad.
On to the current discussion, I don't know exactly what the rules are at Brantford, but I also haven't seen it be a problem there in my visits.