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Overplayed JJ ??
Palace Casino, Edmonton
$40 NL Freezeout, 66 players, top 6 pay.
We're over an hour in with our complete table intact. I have moved my stack from T1500 to T2200. Blinds are 50/100 and going to 100/200 in about 5 minutes.
I have JdJc in MP2. Folded to me. I raise to T400. Folded to the button who reraises to T800. Folded back to me. This player had been the most agressive player at the table thus far and had won a few hands without showing. He had me covered by about T1000.
At this point I figured there was a better than 50% chance I was behind, but thought that AK or a medium pair was also possible. I decided to call to see the flop. This left me with T1400 and the blinds about to go to 100/200.
The flop was 2d3d7d. At this point I thought it was a good flop for me. I would have probably checked and folded if there was an A or K on the flop. But here I had an overpair to the flop and a flush draw with my Jd.
If I bet and was raised I would be at the point where I was pretty well pot committed. I decided I was going to either check and fold or go all in.
With the chance that he had AK and the diamond draw I decided to go all in. He called with two red kings and I was toast.
I think a month ago I was just playing to stay alive as long as possible in these tournaments. But I decided that the only way to make the money with the blinds going up every 15 minutes is to look for a spot to double up that is at worst a coin flip and go for it.
As it turns out here I was huge dog after the flop. LOL
Comments on my play appreciated. (both the preflop call and the post flop all in)
$40 NL Freezeout, 66 players, top 6 pay.
We're over an hour in with our complete table intact. I have moved my stack from T1500 to T2200. Blinds are 50/100 and going to 100/200 in about 5 minutes.
I have JdJc in MP2. Folded to me. I raise to T400. Folded to the button who reraises to T800. Folded back to me. This player had been the most agressive player at the table thus far and had won a few hands without showing. He had me covered by about T1000.
At this point I figured there was a better than 50% chance I was behind, but thought that AK or a medium pair was also possible. I decided to call to see the flop. This left me with T1400 and the blinds about to go to 100/200.
The flop was 2d3d7d. At this point I thought it was a good flop for me. I would have probably checked and folded if there was an A or K on the flop. But here I had an overpair to the flop and a flush draw with my Jd.
If I bet and was raised I would be at the point where I was pretty well pot committed. I decided I was going to either check and fold or go all in.
With the chance that he had AK and the diamond draw I decided to go all in. He called with two red kings and I was toast.
I think a month ago I was just playing to stay alive as long as possible in these tournaments. But I decided that the only way to make the money with the blinds going up every 15 minutes is to look for a spot to double up that is at worst a coin flip and go for it.
As it turns out here I was huge dog after the flop. LOL
Comments on my play appreciated. (both the preflop call and the post flop all in)
Comments
Here's some previous advice on this hand. It's somewhat similar to your situation but certainly people may better responses than pointing to previous posts. I'm curious to see the responses myself...
http://www.pokerforum.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3606.0
http://www.pokerforum.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3506.15
If you fold preflop in MP2 you'll have T1800 and about 9*BB in 5 mins? I still see myself going home on this hand.
Regarding the 2nd thread I placed above, I was the one with QQ. Sorry Mathers I couldn't resist.
I really like the way you played this hand preflop, it sounds like you have a decent game plan. With saying what I said above, even if I have an excellent read on this player I likely wouldn't trust it most of the time and I would lose most of my chips. Tough way to go out.
stp
It is a tough way to lose. JJ is a very hard hand to play. It looks so good at first but can turn to crap so fast.
Basically I am waiting to see if he goes all-in or hesitates to check or a lot of other things.
I would re-raise all-in pre-flop.
If I'm in a position where the most aggressive player at the table needs QQ-AA to really have me in trouble, I'm probably going to end up firing a lot of chips into the pot against him.
JJ is definitely a hard hand to play in general, but it's more than enough hand to go up against the table bully with.
As for how the hand actually went, just calling pre-flop is probably okay, but I still prefer raising or folding here. If you just call with the intention of possiblity of folding on some flops, you leave yourself some chance of being in a bad meta-tournament spot with only about 7 big blinds (after the level increase). Calling with the intention of moving all-in on any flop is an interesting alternative to moving all-in right away pre-flop.1 However, against a particularly aggressive player, and with a relatively fast moving blind structure, I'd think that there is too good a chance that I have the best hand pre-flop to hold anything back.
ScottyZ
1Of course, Dave Scharf has a cool name for this play, I believe it's "Hunting Bananas Foster in the dark" or something like that.