Mistake to call?

boxcard

I am playing in a 4000 player freeroll on Paradise. About 1500 players left. I have tight image, and just won previous hand to double up to just above average stack. Get dealt AKo on the button. Blinds 100/200. UTG limps, MP raises to 600, I call, UTG re-raises to 1200, MP re-re-raises to 3000. Again I call(Was this a mistake?) UTG goes all-in for about 3500 more, MP calls, and I call my last 1700(Was this a mistake?) I will post result in 24 hours. All constructive criticism welcome.

Pokerkid1215

It's a freeroll, I would push allin and hope to cripple the other stacks. You really have nothing to lose except for time.. chances are QQ or better are there.. but again it's a freeroll and people will push allin with Ax lol.. Just my 2 cents but I would try to become the tournament chipleader right there by going all in after MP raises to 600

Pokerkid

wader

UTG AA
MP QQ
You know you are beat and i realize that its a free roll but I think you should have folded, I like the call of 600 but then a re-raise and a re-re-raise!!!!!!! Unless both opponents are super loose you are at best a 50/50. UTG limp/raise always sets off alarm bells in opinion.

Hork42

I agree with Wader. Freeroll or not, if you're playing to advance in the tournament, AK cannot withstand a reraise, let alone two. Wait for a better spot.

Flint Bones

I think you're beat. Once the re-re-raise came in you should have ducked out. They must have some pretty powerful hands.

JohnnieH

yep, that's why I love AK!! It's so easy to get away from.
You almost have to put one of them on rockets or cowboys, thus giving you no outs. (Except the straight draw and the Ace high flush.)

Playing for 600 would have been nice, but a re-re-raise to 3000? Too rich for my blood.
Please update with the results.

JohnnieH

BBC Z

AK cannot withstand a reraise

Sure it can, you want to see all 5 cards when you hold AK. Its more like AK can't stand CALLING a re-raise. It either wants to be all-in preflop or folded.

yep, that's why I love AK!! It's so easy to get away from.

Umm.. care to explain? You are holding one of the best multiway action hands in all of holdem. You should almost need a crowbar to let them go.



The real question to ask yourself after the raise and raise after your passive call is "Do you need to gamble now or can you wait for a better opportunity?" I think there is a better opportunity than face two guys that are dying to go to showdown.

Also to note is that there are still plenty of idiots left in the tournament that want to dance with 99->QQ so putting them in AA/KK is no easy matter.

boxcard

Thanks for all your replies. It bothered me while in this position what to do. I felt I could fold and hope for a better opportunity, but I really felt I had a good chance to make a huge win with quality action cards like AK. OK here is what happened...


UTG shows AA, MP shows AK. Man was I screwed when I saw this. Table was rainbow garbage, and I was gone.

boxcard

Oh yeah, one more thing... After some quick contemplation, I talked myself into believing UTG had QQ and MP had JJ. I used this "reasoning" to help me justify my call. Boy was I wrong.

ScottyZ

I would have pushed all-in with the AK myself at the first opportunity. (That is, when facing the opening raise to 600.)

In a micro buy-in (or freeroll) tournament when still extremely far from the money, I think

1. You are not so averse to making a high variance play.
2. You will get calls from underpairs and dominated hands far more often than you will run into the AA or KK.

Of course, it's not that the statistical distribution of your opponents' starting hands that changes in a freeroll/low buy-in tournament comapred to a higher buy-in tournament. It's the range of hands that you will be called by that changes.

As the hand actually went, you are in a real pickle when MP makes it 3,000 to go. The trouble is that in freeroll/low buy-in tournaments, a significant portion of your opponents will think pre-flop holdings like KQ, AT, 66, and KJs are the immortal nuts. An opponent putting in big raises, re-raises, etc simply cannot be put on a hand most of the time in these kinds of tournaments.

I would probably still move all-in here (facing the raise to 3,000), but now like it a lot less. :cool:

ScottyZ

Kweejibo

I would have folded to the re-re-raise. Even though freerolls are loose and they can be going on a lot of hands, I would assume that the best case for me would be one person has a middle pair, and the other has an Ak,Aq, or Aj. THis starts to take away your outs to hit an over pair, diminishing thew value of the hand. Even if they both have lower pairs , then your looking to hit your pair and hoping that 4 cards don't come up to make their set, instead of worrying about 2 cards. Any other situatiuon would mean that you are completly dominated.

Dave Scharf

I would have folded on the second go around.

Cloutier says, in one of his books, something like "The first raise might be aces, the second raise is probably aces, and the third raise IS aces - pure as the driven snow."

I am not sure that I am completely in agreement with TJ but he is VERY close to being correct. The limp in re-raise looks VERY suspcious and the re-re-raise also looks REALLY ugly.