Why can't I fold these cards????
I need some input, I beleive the right thing to do is fold........but.......
when i get dealt anything from 27 to 67 suited or not, I love to play them if I am atleast average stacked, as long as it doesn't get raised more than 4xBB. The problem I have is that if I catch a pair, I usually get sucked in until the river, and if I fold preflop, it seems that double pairing and straightness happens....
I know that I should fold, but damn I love 72, 73, 74....it's like a drug, and why when I fold could I have made a hand???
My question is, should I hit rehab and learn the almighty phraze "FOLD", or is alright to chase a hand with an average stack??
Am I the only one with this addiction??
Rob
when i get dealt anything from 27 to 67 suited or not, I love to play them if I am atleast average stacked, as long as it doesn't get raised more than 4xBB. The problem I have is that if I catch a pair, I usually get sucked in until the river, and if I fold preflop, it seems that double pairing and straightness happens....
I know that I should fold, but damn I love 72, 73, 74....it's like a drug, and why when I fold could I have made a hand???
My question is, should I hit rehab and learn the almighty phraze "FOLD", or is alright to chase a hand with an average stack??
Am I the only one with this addiction??
Rob
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a) prepare to give them up quickly to ANY resistance
b)only show them if your boss ( if you have a pair of sixes with a two kicicker and you have to show it your back starting from less then zero in image, expect to be raised and reraised so you have to tighten up) Showing a fullhouse with the same hand seems to have the opposite effect for some reason
c)know WHEN to play them, you have to be the raiser and you have to have those raises respected. My biggest leak is trying to outplay a respectable raise with rags.
Im sure Dave has a different perspective, but Im a rag player so this is what Ive learned.
1-2 NL cash
I hold 7/2 off
I'm in the BB, 3 limpers, I check.
Flop comes 2d, 7(idunno), 10s, rainbow. I bet 10. 2 folds, one calls in LP.
Turn comes 6s. I bet 20. calls.
River comes As. I check, he goes all in for 26.
I call, he holds 95s.
Chased his inside straight and hit the flush.
Still can't decide whether it was my bad play or his. Should I have raised more? I dunno. But I'll play my 7/2's a little more aggressively next time I get a good flop.
Average stack is NOT relevant to the answer. If the average stack is small compared to the blinds then you should not be playing them.
If YOUR stack is big in comparison to the big blind then I might consider playing some really speculative hands for about 5% of the stack if (1) I have position and (2) I feel my I have a very good grasp on my likely opponents in the hand.
Any hand can be played profitable by some people. Many hands are losers to most people. You are going to need some serious situational skills if you are mucking around with hands as speculative as you are suggesting.
It's a disease. You didn't drive to the club to fold all night. And, neither did I. All players tend to look for an excuse to play. Me included. It's the albatross around our collective necks.
Cheers
Magi
I disagree, well sort of!
67s, k3, can get you into a pot in position. They can win you BIG pots and lose you ALOT of small ones.
Take k3 into a k high flop and yes your afraid of AK, KQ...etc but the pot was unraised right? so you can bet with some confidence.
But you have to give up to any reistance.... pre or post flop.
This can do alot of things for you, make you look passive and set up some BIG traps. Make you look like a wild maniac, cheaply if you win or cheeply if you show and muck.
Not to mention the action you get when you have a hand. Plus it can really piss off some people, I know Im one of them and I know how much my game gets turned when I lay down to shiet, or someone hits two pair with 63 against my AK which hit a king.
That being said, you cant call into a raise with them hoping to hit, nor can you narrow a big field with a raise with them cause the thing you've narrowed has you beat, and most likely very badly.
Even if you hit two pair, you may not be good. You have to see what comes and tread VERY carefully.
That being said, Im a low limit NL player. I play alot more then the top 20 which forces me to be mistake free as my mistakes cost alot.
This is working for me right now, and I mean over 10000 hands, as I go up in limits Im sure there is going to be an awakening.
Dave, Magi...any thoughts on this style of play?
However the suited connectors with no raise is an acceptable play, I'll frequently play them in limit rings games, but I stay away from them in tournament play.
Thats funny because suited connectors probably get the least amount of implied odds out of limit. You can justify playing suited connectors preflop in NL for their ability to steal a guys stack when you make your hand.
In limit, you have a tougher case to make for playing them for raises.. You should probably consider reversing your attiude on them.. Play them in NL for baby raises against big stacks and drop them in limit for preflop raises (unless table conditions blah blah blah).
No joke, they don't win me a few at all, they hit for me once in a blue moon. When they hit it is usually pretty big because no one puts you on 2-7, 3-7, or 4-7. sooooooted or not I play these cards.
When I lift the edge and see the 7 and then let a corner drop and see the 2, BBAAAMM, my heart races, I grind my teeth, light a smoke (if I can), my brain says "FOLD A####LE", and my mouth says..."Yeah, I call".
After the flop, unless I hit high pair (lol), 2 pair, or maybe flush or straight I'm out.No questions, but prreflop, this hand has caused me sometimes nearly 1/3 of my chips. That's the part that I hate and have a problem with. It's like quiting smoking or drugs, ya know ya have too, but one more time ain't gonna kill ya! right?
And if anybody has found a solution for this bad habit.
Laugh if you want, but I know this really hurts me in tourney play, and it's almost like I, AAAGGGHHHHH, I dunno, I can't even describe it.
Have any of you had and fixed a similar card problem?
Basically, the question is "Can you play crap suited cards like 7-6s and K-3s, in position if you can get in cheap?"
The answer: Yes, of course, if the circunmstances are right.
But... it's not that easy.
I have spend A LOT of time modelling playing styles v. profitable plays. There are LOTS of players that you can play against PROFITABLY if you are holding K-3s, in position, for a small fee. Interestingly enough, if you can play K-3s profitably against PLAYER X, you can probably play ANY TWO CARDS against him -- all other things being equal (i.e. position and single bet). Generally, this is the "limp steal" package of hands. The key is having an excllent grasp of your opponent. And, understand that this is a very high variance way to play.
Time in the trenches seems to have saved it for me, I guess. My big "favourite hand leak" is suited aces. Dang, they look sweet when I lay eyes on them.
Force of will + time in trenches seems to have more or less solved it. Also, playing four games at once online makes it easier. You are ALWAYS playing hands so it's not as hard to be patient. Patience is not my strong suit.
Cheers
Magi
If I'm in late position in an unraised pot preflop, ill often raise with suited connectors. The reason why is this;
If a bunch of paint comes up, i can fire off a big bet. This is of course risky, and sometimes i lose a bit, but in general, these players are going to put me on some of that, so often right there the pot is mine.
If however, the pot comes for a straight or flush draw, or i hit a set, then not many players are putting me on that, because i raised preflop, and i can get a lot of value out of the hand.
That being said, unlike a lot of internet players atleast, I do NOT stand a raise preflop, and if someone has raised infront of me, they are going into the muck.