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A recent hand
A resent hand 5/10 hand at the local B&M casino
I was in middle position after a loose player raises with J10 suited. I call, all fold to the button, he re-raises, the small blind re-raises, the original raiser folds, and I cap to throw the others off.
Flop comes 9,8,3 rainbow. The SB bets, I call button raises, SB re raises. This hand is going to be big! \\
What do you do?
Stay, fold, raise.
What do you think the others have?
I was in middle position after a loose player raises with J10 suited. I call, all fold to the button, he re-raises, the small blind re-raises, the original raiser folds, and I cap to throw the others off.
Flop comes 9,8,3 rainbow. The SB bets, I call button raises, SB re raises. This hand is going to be big! \\
What do you do?
Stay, fold, raise.
What do you think the others have?
Comments
I would have folded and called respectively. The betting seems to be already capped at 4 bets (by the SB) by the time it gets to you the second time around pre-flop, but I would still call a 3-bet rather than raising. There isn't much need to use deceptive plays in 5-10.
I would call all flop bets without raising. I don't see the need to put in an aggressive bet until your hand is made.
Two overpairs, or possibly one overpair and a set. The overpairs seem most likely statistically, and based on the play.
ScottyZ
... And of course you do!!! You now have odds to call 'til the river (I don't recomend raising here) so if you make your staight you're likely good, even if the board pairs... I would say your opponents have over pairs given the pre-flop action (which as Scotty says... is a little unclear)...
What happened?
For your game, if you stick in this, hit it and show it, I think they'll be frothing. That will be really fun.
Scotty pretty much nailed it.
The turn card was K and the betting got caped. Half way through the betting of this round I said to the guy in the small blind, "you guys are just giving me odds to say and I am not going anywhere".
Sure enough the river was a beautiful 7 with no flush draw. Small blind checks, I bet , button raises, SB says he is folding a set of 3s and I raise. Button calls. I tell the button he has Aces, (Bang-on) he flips them over, I thank everyone for feeding the pot and collect a $300.00 plus pot.
Basically, pre-flop, the other hands are "feeding" the AA, and on the flop & turn betting rounds, the 33 is reaping the rewards of the betting.
Don't get me wrong, you probably had the right odds to call all the way post-flop. But it was the dubious pre-flop play (by both the JTs and the 33) that set up the correct post-flop calls.
This is an important concept, and very subtle. There is a big difference between drawing hands and value betting hands. Drawing hands, even if they would be correct to call, would usually prefer to not face a bet. They should generally not bet the pot themselves either.2 However, a made hand (for the sake of argument say that it is currently the nuts) which is probably facing a draw should definitely bet, even if they know the drawing hand will call anyway and be correct to do so.
In other words, the 33 was certainly correct to jam the pot post-flop (and without knowing the hole cards, so was the AA to some degree). The player feeding the pot throught most of this hand is the JTs. Berating the opponents here that they were "feeding the pot" is not only a poor attitude, but it is completely incorrect in terms of the poker.
Why alert one or more players to the fact that you are on a draw? You probably cost yourself at least 2 big bets (or possibly even 6) with this comment.
Incidentally, folding the set of 3's on the river is a pretty bad play. And this player talking about the hand in progress might have even cost you 2 more big bets from the AA. It's a great example of why talking about your hole cards while a hand is in progress is not allowed.
ScottyZ
1Assuming this player will not fold the best hand at a later point during the hand. Not a realistic assumption, but the fundamental idea still holds.
2There are two important exceptions: semi-bluffing, or when enough players are in (and you expect enough of them to call) so that a draw can actually bet for value.
re·sent
tr.v. re·sent·ed, re·sent·ing, re·sents
To feel indignantly aggrieved at.
I thought I could lay this one down, but I have been on tilt ever since. Not sure why it is bugging me so, but please stop the madness!
If I had to play this hand over, I probably should have folded preflop because of the raises. I drew out a card and got lucky. Thats it.
I realize this, and by telling the hand to this forum I can see the mistakes I made. Bottom line is I got lucky an would play this hand a bit different next time.
lol sorry bud.
Spell check was made for me.
I recent the fact that you're flaming someone for bad spelling.
ScottyZ
I wish to apologize to all the form member for my bad spelling.
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