Playing Against drawing hands in Tournies.
Howdy,
I'd like to get some advice on these situations;
Presume typical intermediate players NL tourney;
Stacks at table are average, lets say 4k blinds 100/200
You hold AK one caller to 4x preflop raise;
Board comes A67, bet out, get reraised all in. Call?
Assuming your pretty sure the other guy doesnt have a set A, 6 or 7.
Same situation but its 2 to a flush on board.
Yes you win 2/3 of the time, But the one third of the time your done.
When you have the best of it, but there is a thirty percent chance your day is done, what do you do?
Thanks
I'd like to get some advice on these situations;
Presume typical intermediate players NL tourney;
Stacks at table are average, lets say 4k blinds 100/200
You hold AK one caller to 4x preflop raise;
Board comes A67, bet out, get reraised all in. Call?
Assuming your pretty sure the other guy doesnt have a set A, 6 or 7.
Same situation but its 2 to a flush on board.
Yes you win 2/3 of the time, But the one third of the time your done.
When you have the best of it, but there is a thirty percent chance your day is done, what do you do?
Thanks
Comments
Look at it this way: If he had checked, you'd be putting in a large bet anyway. If he chose to reraise all-in, you would call. So why not now?
Only thing to think about is what if he got amazingly lucky and flopped an open-ended straight flush draw? He'd be a slight favourite. But would he have called a 4xBB bet with small-to-medium suited connectors? Maybe but I doubt it...
I'm not even sure he'd call with 66 or 77 pre-flop but that is more likely. Maybe he had a suited ace and now has 2 pr with a backdoor flush draw? The point of the pre-flop raise was to chase those kind of hands out.
What kind of hand would he need to have to call 4xBB pre-flop? I guess that varies by the player (risk profile/capability), the size of his stack (cost) and the size of yours (opportunity).
I can't really imagine being up against a player where I would be able to rule out all of these hands.
But as for the main question, supposing I somehow knew that my opponent had no pair, no set, and 9-outs (plus a backdoor 2 pair draw) or less*, it's an easy call. I'd take any 2-1 win edge I could get in a tournament, even if the consequence of losing the hand is being busted.
ScottyZ
*Which means I am also going to have to rule out the 12-out and 15-out draws.
Just ultra -aggressive players.
I did make the calls in three different cases, and lost in all three cases.
one flush and two str draws, and I was crippled 2wice and knocked out once.
Down goes $150 in tourney fee's.
Kinda bitten, so just wondering if these edges are to sharp for long term tourney success?
BTW, these guys hadn't been "tricky" all night, hence I did not suspect the sets...
On the other hand I had a great table image, picking up a lot of small pots on bluffs and winning a couple big ones with the nutz (not typically my style) so how do you account for others BAD play? Cash games is easy you rebuy, but tournies yer done.
Flush draw + gutshot or flush draw + open ended
ScottyZ
Well kinda, if you have 89 and the flop is A6s7s, four to the flush gives 9 and the remaining 6 non suited T and 5's makes 15.
The redraw could give more if a 6 or 7 falls.
On the 67 suited though I wouldnt have a problem laying it down. Im actually behind in the hand.
Punish the bad players. Sometimes you lose but most of the time you win and build a nice stack to punish some more. Don't feel bad about losing a few of those in the row. You are building up kharma. A good tantrum here and there helps, too.
Come to think of it, after that last cash game, I've got a boatload of kharma headed my way. Tonight I shall be 'The Punisher'. I don't think any of the punishees will be playing though... :mad:
I'll put it out there again: what kind of hands would someone call a 4xBB bet against someone who has a tight-aggressive image at the table? Tighter than Kory's girlfriend anyway...
Oh great, so your saying I wont be able to bad beat you tonight with a 52s into a $15 raise?
Too bad, I wanted to show Danny how it is done! Guess I will just have to beat you straight up
Um, well normally me, but I would have to have a BIG stack to take those gambles.
When everyone is clse, it seems like there is always a few on Pokerstars or Party for example;
This was my favorite, now Im wondering if it is rigged
Dealt to Roswel [2s 4d]
bighairlol: folds
PBTIM: calls 30
KisMETic: calls 30
xTroutFishx: calls 30
brandonmtx: folds
Roswel: folds
DirtyVegas44: calls 30
gambelero: raises 1020 to 1050 and is all-in
tennis300: folds
PBTIM: calls 1020
KisMETic: folds
xTroutFishx: folds
DirtyVegas44: folds
KisMETic said, "oh"
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8s Ts]
gambelero said, "youwin"
*** TURN *** [Jd 8s Ts] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8s Ts Ad] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gambelero: shows [Jc Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
PBTIM: shows [Kd 3c] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
PBTIM collected 2220 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2220 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 8s Ts Ad Qs]
Seat 1: xTroutFishx folded before Flop
Seat 2: brandonmtx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Roswel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DirtyVegas44 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gambelero (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: tennis300 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: bighairlol folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PBTIM showed [Kd 3c] and won (2220) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: KisMETic folded before Flop
So where is the karmha blow job I get for playing against this guy all night?
He's gonna kill me....
meh...
Dane
Either way I see anal tearing on the horizon!
This thread has gone right down the toilet.
All-in with k3o! Who was that - Danny or Richie?
As for the kharma thingy, you'll have to speak to your wife.