Can you Fold a set?
Playing my normal game, I find it easy to fold QQ KK and somtimes AA under the right situation.
The problem with my game, and I have suffered some of my worst beats with it is folding a set.
Its not the type that you have a pocket pair and flop trips, but the other type.
Example from a game today.
Ad Qd in middle position.
one limper before me
Make it 6 times the BB.
everyone folds to the limper and he calls.
Flop comes QQ7 rainbow. I bet out with the same 6 times the BB.
limper thinks for one min, and calls.
Turn = 4
Same bet, same call
River = 2
limper pushes in, with out thinking, I am out.
4s full of Qs
by the way this was the 3rd hand of single game tournament on party.
Although this is not a terrible beat, I can't seem to get away from these types of hands.
Can you? Or do you go broke like me? Any advise?
The problem with my game, and I have suffered some of my worst beats with it is folding a set.
Its not the type that you have a pocket pair and flop trips, but the other type.
Example from a game today.
Ad Qd in middle position.
one limper before me
Make it 6 times the BB.
everyone folds to the limper and he calls.
Flop comes QQ7 rainbow. I bet out with the same 6 times the BB.
limper thinks for one min, and calls.
Turn = 4
Same bet, same call
River = 2
limper pushes in, with out thinking, I am out.
4s full of Qs
by the way this was the 3rd hand of single game tournament on party.
Although this is not a terrible beat, I can't seem to get away from these types of hands.
Can you? Or do you go broke like me? Any advise?
Comments
Here he is either a) bluffing me or b) betting the worst hand with something like KQ oir QJ. If he's playing b, would he wait until the river? He knows you're interested, why would he wait to come after you?
Is he capable of a bluff? It would require him being good enough to know you're skill level and your ability to fold. So, for sure I would say him bluffing at the river is highly unlikely here.
So, what are the odds of him going all-in with the worst hand. I'd have to say since he waited until the river, it would be a clue. It would be much harder to peg him if he did this push on the flop. I'd say, he should do it then.
I've donated many times in your spot. A few more, and I may be able to sniff it out better.
Cheers
Magi
The other night I was holding Q10, flop comes up AAQ. Another A on the river, leaving me a full boat. I was just a low limit game and my opponent called me all the way to the river. I raised, he reraised on me. I just knew he had the only other A, but what could I do? If I folded and he showed me a bluff, I would have kicked myself for not doing it. When I called the reraise, he showed the other A and I kicked myself anyway. I know he had trips after the flop and that's why he called me to the river, just a bad beat for me. Yesterday was full of bad beats for some reason. Them's the breaks sometimes.
When your opponent is ahead in the hand the entire way, it's not a bad beat.
I'm guessing with such a small bet you wanted him to call, so you have to take your lumps when they hit. Trips with two on the board are strong but vulnerable hands, so I tend to bet big when I hit them - in no-limit, I'd make at least a pot-sized bet here, and quite possibly a lot more than that. If that makes them fold, well and good, a 13 BB pot isn't something I'm going to turn down. If they pay for a draw, then they're almost certainly not getting the odds to do so and I win in the long run.
From that flop on, you'll win against those 4s more than 90% of the time, so getting away from it isn't really a priority. Only thing I'd do differently is to get the other guy to put more money in the pot if he's going to fish for his two-outer. In the long run, you should make a lot of money in this sort of situation.