Some Insight Needed...
I realize that in poker there is vairence. But I find it's becoming a real test to not go on tilt. I play primarilly .50/$1 a.k.a no fold'em poker. And hey, I understand that weaker players are there for the taking because their mistakes cost them a lot, however I have some hands I'd like some insight on, and I want to know if anybody else would be frusterated, I played a 215 hand session today, I'd also like to know how long a session should last for on avg.
Pocket Pairs that I lost on
Pair Times Lost
AA 2/2 (First Time, guy drew me all the waywith 94 and went runner runner for two p
(Second Time, guy called me all the way down with a pair of threes and was rewarded with a 3 on the river)
QQ 1/1 (Had top pair on an rainbow board, K hit on the river I of course fold, he shows K4o)
JJ 1/1 (Same thing except guy went runner runner with 24o and caught a set of 2's no overcards or threatning draws)
(also lost with TT, but thats not really a hand you can be sour about, what was frustering was the AA being busted out by garbadge).
Okay other strong hands that were busted...
1.I had a set of Kings, and a three turned up on the river I was holding AK, guy turns over Pocket 4's to have a full-house. What can yo do
2. I have the nut straight on fourth street Ace High of course, diamond on the river right on cue gave a guy with 29s (there was also know 2 or 9 on the board) his flush.
(again only reason im showing these examples was these are hands that had a lot of BB's in the middle on).
I went back and wrote down on bets were in the pot and how many I had contriubted and I would have had atleast a winning day if these hands had of came through, but I mean coulda's and shoulda's aren't part of the game I can take that and accept it just wasn't my day.
Onto some positives, I really didn't feel like I went on tilt, I never was trying to "make" up for the hands I experinced some nice rotten beats, I just really tried to remain focus and play hands in good position and maximize my winnings. It was very hard to see people around getting rewarded for playing very poorly, while I like to think I remained solid through the session and played decent hands. I am not giving a "poor" me speech, I'd like to find out from all of you who have a lot more experince what you think my game looks like. I'm going to provide a detailed guide-line of what my pre-flop play looks like as well as my post flop play. I'd very much like to hear some suggestions if I am doing anything completely wrong and just some overall anaylsis, remeber I'm playing .50/$1 hold'em was close to moving up to 1/2 but this -30.0 bb loosing day wasn't cool.
Pre-Flop Play
Any Position Play/Early Position
I will raise and re-raise from any position with...
AA,KK,AKs
I will raise from any position if the pot HAS NOT been raised yet with
AKo,AQs,QQ
I will call any bet in a non-capped pre-flop with
AQo,AJo,JJ,
Middle Position
I will call any bet or just call with QKs,TT,JTs,QJs(plus the early postion hands)
I will just call with QJo,JTo, and the above hands if the pot hasn't be yet raised.
fold anything else.
Late Position
I will call any bet with the same hands as Middle for one bet
(the rest are the same standards as middle and early after a bet)
I will also call with T9s,ATs and occasionally 98s.
Big Blind I treat like middle/late position and little blind I play as if i was in early position.
I know this play is extreamly tight but most of these hands should be profitable in the long wrong. I have read a few books on low-limit hold'em but in today's low limit enviroment I find some of those plays are to aggressive. I don't play many hands, I am usally between 14-18% flops seen precentage for the session.
Any Thoughts of hands *that really should be here that aren't, but are profitable at a .50/$1 level*
My post play is pretty standard, if I have the best hand I move forward, i wont go for gut-shots at all, I will draw occasionally with big broadway hands when there are pot odds to do so.
Also should mention that a lot of times when I play and I have a winning session say I play for about a half hour 25-40 hands and I am up around 9-10bbs I usally just call it quits and accpet my day. Should I be trying to play consitant sessions like 100hands a day or 150hands a day and get a more consitant session time going?,
Thanks guys,
Not complaining, just trying to figure out if there is way to play a winning session when your big hands are actually costing you money
P.
Pocket Pairs that I lost on
Pair Times Lost
AA 2/2 (First Time, guy drew me all the waywith 94 and went runner runner for two p
(Second Time, guy called me all the way down with a pair of threes and was rewarded with a 3 on the river)
QQ 1/1 (Had top pair on an rainbow board, K hit on the river I of course fold, he shows K4o)
JJ 1/1 (Same thing except guy went runner runner with 24o and caught a set of 2's no overcards or threatning draws)
(also lost with TT, but thats not really a hand you can be sour about, what was frustering was the AA being busted out by garbadge).
Okay other strong hands that were busted...
1.I had a set of Kings, and a three turned up on the river I was holding AK, guy turns over Pocket 4's to have a full-house. What can yo do
2. I have the nut straight on fourth street Ace High of course, diamond on the river right on cue gave a guy with 29s (there was also know 2 or 9 on the board) his flush.
(again only reason im showing these examples was these are hands that had a lot of BB's in the middle on).
I went back and wrote down on bets were in the pot and how many I had contriubted and I would have had atleast a winning day if these hands had of came through, but I mean coulda's and shoulda's aren't part of the game I can take that and accept it just wasn't my day.
Onto some positives, I really didn't feel like I went on tilt, I never was trying to "make" up for the hands I experinced some nice rotten beats, I just really tried to remain focus and play hands in good position and maximize my winnings. It was very hard to see people around getting rewarded for playing very poorly, while I like to think I remained solid through the session and played decent hands. I am not giving a "poor" me speech, I'd like to find out from all of you who have a lot more experince what you think my game looks like. I'm going to provide a detailed guide-line of what my pre-flop play looks like as well as my post flop play. I'd very much like to hear some suggestions if I am doing anything completely wrong and just some overall anaylsis, remeber I'm playing .50/$1 hold'em was close to moving up to 1/2 but this -30.0 bb loosing day wasn't cool.
Pre-Flop Play
Any Position Play/Early Position
I will raise and re-raise from any position with...
AA,KK,AKs
I will raise from any position if the pot HAS NOT been raised yet with
AKo,AQs,QQ
I will call any bet in a non-capped pre-flop with
AQo,AJo,JJ,
Middle Position
I will call any bet or just call with QKs,TT,JTs,QJs(plus the early postion hands)
I will just call with QJo,JTo, and the above hands if the pot hasn't be yet raised.
fold anything else.
Late Position
I will call any bet with the same hands as Middle for one bet
(the rest are the same standards as middle and early after a bet)
I will also call with T9s,ATs and occasionally 98s.
Big Blind I treat like middle/late position and little blind I play as if i was in early position.
I know this play is extreamly tight but most of these hands should be profitable in the long wrong. I have read a few books on low-limit hold'em but in today's low limit enviroment I find some of those plays are to aggressive. I don't play many hands, I am usally between 14-18% flops seen precentage for the session.
Any Thoughts of hands *that really should be here that aren't, but are profitable at a .50/$1 level*
My post play is pretty standard, if I have the best hand I move forward, i wont go for gut-shots at all, I will draw occasionally with big broadway hands when there are pot odds to do so.
Also should mention that a lot of times when I play and I have a winning session say I play for about a half hour 25-40 hands and I am up around 9-10bbs I usally just call it quits and accpet my day. Should I be trying to play consitant sessions like 100hands a day or 150hands a day and get a more consitant session time going?,
Thanks guys,
Not complaining, just trying to figure out if there is way to play a winning session when your big hands are actually costing you money
P.
Comments
Couple of general things I noticed,
#1. Some 3/6 players suck just as bad as the .50/$1 gang.
#2. I actually felt like I was sitting at a poker table and not a bingo hall.
#3. I know once I get my roll up I can win at that level
I sat for an hour, now I know this does mean Im Poker God of the world but I was able to up $8.50 wow (was up $24 at one point), lol but I was happy that I didn't give anything away. and the same game, very tight style i played at .50/$1 won me back a bit of quid.
Now, obviously I am not going to jump into $3/6 with my bankroll which is about 1/4 right now of what I need for that level, it's $526.50 right now , was up to $562.88 before today's shanagins. Anyways, I won't be returning to or any other level outside the 300bb range, I just needed to show myself that I can someday get out of the bingos. Now obviously I could have sat there for two more hours and been down $300, or been up the later, but I just wanted to sit for an hour and see if I actually could player poker and not this bingo'em
P.
(Learning the hard way)
I have no doubt in my mind that you can play at 3/6, but the road to bankruptcy is littered with people playing above their bankroll. Glad you enjoyed your "night on the town" but that approach isn't sound if your bankroll means anything to you.
As for the other stuff with the bad beats just review the hands to see if you wasted bets or if more aggressiveness may have pushed them out. Bad beats happen but the amount you lose is still dependant on your play.
If there is anything troubling then post the HH. I prefer to read a history then someone's recollection of a hand. The histories give a more complete and objective account.
Cheers :cool:
Are you saying you won't reraise with QQ?
Again, I think I might be misunderstanding here. Are you saying you'll cold-call any RAISE preflop with these hands, or saying you'll limp in with these hands. I think it's a mistake not to raise JJ preflop, and I'd also say it would be a mistake to cold-call an early position raise from a tight player with AJo.
As far as your blind play, treating a raise when you're in BB as middle position is roughly right. SB you can likely loosen up a little since you're often getting huge pot odds to limp in for half a small bet. (Just be solid in you're post-flop play).
You NEVER go for a gutshot? If the pot odds justify it, and you're drawing to the nuts, even gut-shots can be justified. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by drawing "occaisionally" when you have pot odds. If you have odds, you draw, if you don't, you fold.
Seems like a pretty short session. I would suggest that as long as you feel good (aren't tired, mad, distracted, drunk, etc.) and you feel the table is good, you should keep playing. Likewise you should probably stop if you are feeling out of it, or you just feel the table is pretty tough to beat (you won't find too many of these tables at .50-1).
All in all, I'd say a tight approach is generally correct, but I'd say you can loosen up a little in certain situations. Learning not to rely on rigid "rules" and playing your opponents is something that you should gradually pick up over time.