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sn1perb0y

This was a satellite to the 109$ poker-stars cup in Montreal.
4 tickets and 5th gets around $44.
I'm not sure of the correct mathematical play here, me personally I think jamming is way better than calling off even with AKs since you'd have tons of fold equity and getting the huge blinds and antes is more than enough.

PokerStars Hand #114130502126: Tournament #888871637, $1.50+$0.15 CAD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (10000/20000) - 2014/03/31 20:02:03 ET
Table '888871637 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (231100 in chips)
Seat 2: Fawkeye (174000 in chips)
Seat 3: Himan75 (55242 in chips)
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (271588 in chips)
Seat 5: McArn's (332327 in chips)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y (240410 in chips)
Seat 8: BTLTTN (87333 in chips)
TheRizlaman: posts the ante 2000
Fawkeye: posts the ante 2000
Himan75: posts the ante 2000
DonkeeDuster: posts the ante 2000
McArn's: posts the ante 2000
sn1perb0y: posts the ante 2000
BTLTTN: posts the ante 2000
TheRizlaman: posts small blind 10000
Fawkeye: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sn1perb0y [Kc Ac]
Himan75: folds
DonkeeDuster: raises 249588 to 269588 and is all-in
McArn's: folds
sn1perb0y:???

His open jams looks feels like a medium pocket pair, I think if he had AA or KK he is more likely to min-raise than open jam. I know i crush his range, I think i'm flipping around 70% of the time and dominating around 30% of the time (I'm just guess-estimating the percentages) .

I know that if I win this pot, i probably will guarantee a ticket but if i loose this pot i'm most likely out. What do you guys think?

Hobbes

There's a 4BB stack and a 2BB stack.


FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD

Pinhead

sn1perb0y wrote: »

Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (271588 in chips)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y (240410 in chips)
Dealt to sn1perb0y [Kc Ac]
DonkeeDuster: raises 249588 to 269588 and is all-in
sn1perb0y:???

I know that if I win this pot, i probably will guarantee a ticket but if i loose this pot i'm most likely out. What do you guys think?

Interesting strategy Cotton, let's see how this one turns out...

Losing all-in pots to players who have you covered tends to eliminate you from contention

djgolfcan

FOLD, and its not even close. This is a satellite, not a regular tournament, your goal is to get the seat, period. There are too many shorter stacks that will have to gamble to stay in for you to risk it.

BlondeFish

Fold. If I were in your place, I would rather jam with 54o than call an all-in with AKs.

sn1perb0y

I feel like a genius now since i folded here..

PokerStars Hand #114130502126: Tournament #888871637, $1.50+$0.15 CAD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (10000/20000) - 2014/03/31 20:02:03 ET
Table '888871637 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (231100 in chips)
Seat 2: Fawkeye (174000 in chips)
Seat 3: Himan75 (55242 in chips)
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (271588 in chips)
Seat 5: McArn's (332327 in chips)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y (240410 in chips)
Seat 8: BTLTTN (87333 in chips)
TheRizlaman: posts the ante 2000
Fawkeye: posts the ante 2000
Himan75: posts the ante 2000
DonkeeDuster: posts the ante 2000
McArn's: posts the ante 2000
sn1perb0y: posts the ante 2000
BTLTTN: posts the ante 2000
TheRizlaman: posts small blind 10000
Fawkeye: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sn1perb0y [Kc Ac]
Himan75: folds
DonkeeDuster: raises 249588 to 269588 and is all-in
McArn's: folds
sn1perb0y: folds
BTLTTN: folds
TheRizlaman: folds
Fawkeye: folds
Uncalled bet (249588) returned to DonkeeDuster
DonkeeDuster collected 64000 from pot
DonkeeDuster: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 64000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Fawkeye (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Himan75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster collected (64000)
Seat 5: McArn's folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BTLTTN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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what about here??

PokerStars Hand #114130683765: Tournament #888871637, $1.50+$0.15 CAD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (15000/30000) - 2014/03/31 20:07:34 ET
Table '888871637 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (410100 in chips)
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (230255 in chips)
Seat 5: McArn's (306327 in chips)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y (213410 in chips)
Seat 8: BTLTTN (231908 in chips)
TheRizlaman: posts the ante 3000
DonkeeDuster: posts the ante 3000
McArn's: posts the ante 3000
sn1perb0y: posts the ante 3000
BTLTTN: posts the ante 3000
TheRizlaman: posts small blind 15000
DonkeeDuster: posts big blind 30000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sn1perb0y [8h 8c]
McArn's: raises 60000 to 90000
sn1perb0y:???

5 left 4 get tickets, and i'm 5th in chips and close chip stacks?

Hobbes

I think this is a bit tougher.

what is your image?
How light does the table call off?
Has the original raiser raised/folded in the past?

I'm leaning towards push n pray since you will be taking the blinds soon.

sn1perb0y

Hobbes wrote: »

I think this is a bit tougher.

what is your image?
How light does the table call off?
Has the original raiser raised/folded in the past?

I'm leaning towards push n pray since you will be taking the blinds soon.

He tried earlier to take my bb with a min raise sb vs bb and i jammed on him with A3 and he snap folded, my image is a player that takes his spot with steals, tight preflop when i jam it in.The thing is he raise UTG with a 3x which i'm not sure if that's strength or weakness. we haven't played a lot of hands since its push/fold 10bbs and its turbo 3x

djgolfcan

I fold in this spot. Reason 1, he min raises usually and now 3xBB UTG, to me that is a big hand looking to get paid off. Reason 2, I'd rather be the person getting into the pot first, rather than calling or shoving into a raiser.

sn1perb0y

djgolfcan wrote: »

I fold in this spot. Reason 1, he min raises usually and now 3xBB UTG, to me that is a big hand looking to get paid off. Reason 2, I'd rather be the person getting into the pot first, rather than calling or shoving into a raiser.

But if he has a huge hand like QQ KK and AA wouldn't he be eager to min raise to get people in than scare them out by raising 3x?

I agree with reason 2 though but 5 handed and less than 10bbs how much more do you wait for to get better than 88s? Also the more you wait the less bbs you have making it easier for people to call you. (just my thought process, not sure if its accurate)

BlondeFish

My answer remains the same.

sn1perb0y wrote: »

Dealt to sn1perb0y [8h 8c]
McArn's: raises 60000 to 90000
sn1perb0y:???

5 left 4 get tickets, and i'm 5th in chips and close chip stacks?

sn1perb0y

BlondeFish wrote: »

My answer remains the same.

you mean fold? may i know why?

Bfillmaff

I think you just have to go with your instinct when McArn raises. If you think he will call a shove than into the muck with the 88 without a second thought, and with the hopes that he levels either himself or someone else. If you think he will fold then you shove over the top and put him the the tough decision of possibly going out in 5th.

If there's no read though I think you have to lean towards a fold - there has to be a strong chance that the shove will get through for it to work.

(this is of course due to the format alone - where 4th and 1st get the same money. In a regular FT I'm shoving there for sure.)

sn1perb0y

:arghh::arghh::arghh:

PokerStars Hand #114130683765: Tournament #888871637, $1.50+$0.15 CAD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (15000/30000) - 2014/03/31 20:07:34 ET
Table '888871637 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (410100 in chips)
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (230255 in chips)
Seat 5: McArn's (306327 in chips)
Seat 7: sn1perb0y (213410 in chips)
Seat 8: BTLTTN (231908 in chips)
TheRizlaman: posts the ante 3000
DonkeeDuster: posts the ante 3000
McArn's: posts the ante 3000
sn1perb0y: posts the ante 3000
BTLTTN: posts the ante 3000
TheRizlaman: posts small blind 15000
DonkeeDuster: posts big blind 30000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sn1perb0y [8h 8c]
McArn's: raises 60000 to 90000
sn1perb0y: raises 120410 to 210410 and is all-in
BTLTTN: folds
TheRizlaman: folds
DonkeeDuster: folds
McArn's: calls 120410
*** FLOP *** [6h 3c Kc]
*** TURN *** [6h 3c Kc] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3c Kc Ac] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
McArn's: shows [Qh As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
sn1perb0y: shows [8h 8c] (a pair of Eights)
McArn's collected 480820 from pot
sn1perb0y finished the tournament in 5th place and received $44.00.
TheRizlaman finished the tournament in 1st place
TheRizlaman wins an entry to tournament #888871628
DonkeeDuster finished the tournament in 1st place
DonkeeDuster wins an entry to tournament #888871628
McArn's finished the tournament in 1st place
McArn's wins an entry to tournament #888871628
BTLTTN finished the tournament in 1st place
BTLTTN wins an entry to tournament #888871628
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 480820 | Rake 0
Board [6h 3c Kc Ac Qd]
Seat 1: TheRizlaman (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: DonkeeDuster (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: McArn's showed [Qh As] and won (480820) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: sn1perb0y showed [8h 8c] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: BTLTTN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

folded

At least you won 44 dollars....

BlondeFish

sn1perb0y wrote: »

you mean fold? may i know why?

If I tell you, I'll have to eliminate you before our next satellite together!

Seriously, unless you know that villain will INCORRECTLY fold despite getting 3-to-1 pot odds after you raise all-in, then it's like needlessly putting your life on the line like your previous hand with AK. I would rather wait for the next hand and jam with 32s and have a lot of fold equity, than get involved after a raise with 88 and no fold equity.

sn1perb0y

BlondeFish wrote: »

If I tell you, I'll have to eliminate you before our next satellite together!

Seriously, unless you know that villain will INCORRECTLY fold despite getting 3-to-1 pot odds after you raise all-in, then it's like needlessly putting your life on the line like your previous hand with AK. I would rather wait for the next hand and jam with 32s and have a lot of fold equity, than get involved after a raise with 88 and no fold equity.

since you told me, i won't need to jam with 88s vs your AQ and flip vs you

thanx though

hiphopopotamus

If he was min-raising a lot, I'd consider moving in vs a min-raise. Against a 3x raise, I doubt you have very much if any fold equity and would just muck.