putting an end to final table deal making?
interesting article. what do you guys think?
Rant: It's Time We Put an End to Deal-Making Nonsense - Poker News
Rant: It's Time We Put an End to Deal-Making Nonsense - Poker News
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My pet peeve is the whining you get to make a bubble prize once you get close to the bubble. Similar to the Woodbine thread complaint, you know the structure when you agree to play the tourney and you know how many spots payout. Suck it up. The bubble is the bubble.
i agree with this for the most part. i don't like what happened in the 2nd article where they divided up all the money and then the 5 of them played it out in 10 minutes for absolutely no reason. i think there should be some amount of money left (maybe a percentage of some kind), but it has to be at least slightly significant.
lol, completely agree.
tapatalk puts this here to annoy YOU
that's definitely a valid point.
poker is very different compared to other games/sports though. the fact that the money comes from the players makes all the difference. there's always that line you have to walk between making money and keeping opponents coming back, and i think this is part of this issue as boring the average person to death during a final table could arguably lead to less people being interested in taking up poker. just something to consider, but by no means do i think i have an answer to this issue.
Titles are for idiots
Only idiots care about such stuff.
The author of the article doesn't realize you can buy lots of trophies with $$$.
Fuck Trophies.
Gimmie the $$$$
I don't care about providing a spectacle for poker writers.
I play to win $$
I would agree if everyone puts in twice that amount in a last longer bet of rake free $$$
But the whining is a huge tell!
So it's music to my ears.
Agree on bubble whining tho... Thats just lame.
Sell the bubble whiners bubble insurance at 40% juice.
I like the the line he took here but first off the way he tries to break it down I don't think anyone should really go around saying they "won" an event if they chopped first. Most honest/real players I know have won enough tourneys they'll just tell it how it is. "We chopped, I took better than second money etc..." I think that even if players describe it as a win, deep down it doesn't feel accurate as the dynamic was changed drastically once that happened. Personally, I agree that money is the name of the game and chop lots or play glory-less fixed limit, as profit is all that matters. It might be less ballsy, but at the end of the day there are too many winners to keep track off them all.
Even as a "promotor" that understands the draw of a hard fought title and it's importance, there will always be enough ego and events in the game for an abundance of these headlines. By the same token, if a player wants to wear sweats on TV, all the power to him or her, it's his her dollars that make this industry go round, those that rake any of it should count the blessings they do have. We aren't being denyied mainstream sponsorships due to sweats and sandals, I would hope that doesn't overshadow the Bitars, Golds, Dukes, Hamiltons, counterfeit chips, chopsticks and prostitues you just don't find attached to the Red Bull X-treme game type industries....
Getting back to OP, he does take this full circle and say just hand out the title and trophy. At this point it's really almost null and void and whomever wants the burden of the chop story should claim it.
Essentially what I hear reading this is "it really sucks when players chop the money they risked their own to get because it makes my job less interesting or exciting." If I walked into a poker room and asked 10 players the names of three side event, or even EPT main event winners, the year and the buyin, how many would answer correctly? And these are people who love the game. Who just beat McDonald again after the chop? People have to stop overthinking the influence they think this all has. Mostly we remember that big pile of money and hope to get one of own, end of story.
Money comes and goes, but winning titles stay for a lifetime.
or...
Glory comes and goes, net winnings accumulate over a lifetime.
I was going to write a a PLayer of Series piece the other day where 6 guys were neck and neck for an added 10k main. Was down to a fraction of point but on deciding hand guy bought out only other guy with shot for 2k. He then made a deal with casino for 9k cad cash. Lost all luster IMO. Game is about $$$
IMHO, it's pretty sketchy if there are WPT, GPI or other Player of the Year award implications. In the latest depressing scandal of a three-time bracelet winner being "Stripped of Title, Banned from Properties for WSOP Circuit Chip Theft,"
By the way, Class Action Suit Filed Over Borgata Counterfeit Chip Debacle.
Event #2 was also weird, with US pro Pratyush Buddiga, a former Spelling Bee champion, being the short stack. Since Fallsview doesn't officially allow deals, the last three players had to leave the final table area, just like satellite players wanting to negotiate a deal were told to leave the poker room. I watched the three of them negotiating, and wondered why nobody bothered to use an ICM calculator as a basis for negotiation; I could have let them use mine!
Pratyush and the two Fallsview regs, Neal Thornton of Burlington and Bo Wang of Scarborough, agreed to a 3-way chop with him and Bo getting the same while chip leader Neal got more. Then they all kept going all-in! He kept winning the all-ins by pure luck, so officially got the trophy and gimmick cheque showing C$243,714, but actually pocketed much less. Since Fallsview doesn't allow ANY photos in the huge ballrooms, :rolleyes: I didn't see any photos being taken of any of the finalists. The Fallsview trophy was left behind an unattended desk, and anybody could have taken it! Since Fallsview has event conflicts, he hurried back to late register for the Main Event.
Just like jontm, I see none of this mentioned in the WPT, Bluff, HendonMob, GPI, CanadaPoker or any other websites that I've seen. :bs: If jontm wants to hear about Event #1 or more details, contact me.
Dylan Wilkerson (@DylanWilkerson)
2/24/14, 8:12 PM
Chopped #wptfallsview, played for the trophy and came away empty. No biggy, was a great week!
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Pratyush (@FenwayKing)
2/22/14, 3:58 PM
Got basically an even chop of 167k w/2 mill to their 3.6 and 6 mill to enjoy. Flipped for the rest and bagged the trophy
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There is without a doubt bracelets and title that have been "bought" away from the heads up felts....
No one really knows/cares or remembers 99% tourney winners, so its not like there is any lost glory from chopping. Just a variance buster.
also
For those that argue Poker is a game of skill and sport and less like gambling the chop turns it into all about the money. This would never happen in golf you take the yellow jacket I get the money and we are good.
Caesars does, will actually adjust the payout on the screen to add bubbles etc.