Did I play this right?
At a freindly game lastnight, $60.00 freezeout. 10 players total. We get down to four left, I'm 2nd in chips with 3200.
Blinds are 60/120. I'm small blind,
delt JJ, everyone calls, I raise to 400 before flop, BB is in and so is the button.
Flop is Jd, 10d, 9s
I bet 1000, BB flods, button calls,
Turn card Jh,
nice fourofakind, I call all-in
The button (also chip leader), is thinking, after about 3 min. I light up a smoke, as soon as I do he calls.
I show JJ, he shows 7,8d
Sweet I get too double up right? Wrong 9d on the river and I'm out to a straight flush. WTF???????
I thought that I had played it well and lost to luck but, I think that if I had called more on the flop everyone would have got out?
Do you think I played this wrong, and if you were chip leader would you have called me all-in on the flop?
Rob
Blinds are 60/120. I'm small blind,
delt JJ, everyone calls, I raise to 400 before flop, BB is in and so is the button.
Flop is Jd, 10d, 9s
I bet 1000, BB flods, button calls,
Turn card Jh,
nice fourofakind, I call all-in
The button (also chip leader), is thinking, after about 3 min. I light up a smoke, as soon as I do he calls.
I show JJ, he shows 7,8d
Sweet I get too double up right? Wrong 9d on the river and I'm out to a straight flush. WTF???????
I thought that I had played it well and lost to luck but, I think that if I had called more on the flop everyone would have got out?
Do you think I played this wrong, and if you were chip leader would you have called me all-in on the flop?
Rob
Comments
Ok, so he's big stack and he calls your 400 when he is on the button with 78s. I'm sure everyone else folded to him and your second in chips. So in the pot is 420 + your raise 340 and it only costs him 280 to call? Giddy -up!!!!
I would do EXACTLY the same thing in his position. In your position JJ is vulnerable so you cant go over board preflop nor can you limp, maybe 4XBB is enough, but your opponent is still getting odds on the button to call, you have to remeber in this position he is playing for ALL of your chips not just the 400 in the pot.
Ok thinking from the Button position "Wow, 1000 bet? What is he afraid of? Lets see, he probably has a set or two pair. Most likely a set" --assumption made that you haven't been
betting that hard on your draws or nut hands so KQ diamonds is unlikely (but a killer if you could get away with this bet here)
So what beats your set? any diamond (9 outs), up and down straight (6 outs - 8-2diamonds) so that is 15 outs with the turn AND river to come. If you have a set he is still ahead in this hand. I call.
"wow", ok how much more is it? 1800 more and there is 3040 in the pot. I think Im commited here;
Lets see another jack, nahhh couldnt have the quad. ---I admit this thinking in the last month has let me get beat by a few quads I still don't know if Im thinking it all wrong but Im sure your buddy and I are thinking somewhat alike and dont even consider a quad---
These are depnding on your image, but this is how I would be thinking against an aggressive solid player -
So what does that leave us with? AJ? would he bet 400 preflop with AJ ... maybe
Maybe AA and now he has two pair? ..not too probable
KQ?... again alot of my outs gone but 400 preflop... and wouldnt he try and trap?
89? But four hundred preflop? Well he is a stealer, and I have the 8 of diamonds so I can't see him making that move with 89 unsuited.
JT...this would be brutal for me, but 400 then 1000??? Would would he have thought I had? Limped from the button, so maybe a small pair or over pair? but to call 1000? Does he think I am that bad?
Maybe he has the str and Im free rolling with the flush draw too?
So to make this call and make the right call he has to have put you on AJ, AA or unsuited low str., if the call was made for ANY other reason then you outplayed him, let it go. Long run your better for it.
If he ever thought you had JJ, then this is a brutal call for 1/23* Edit I stand corrected, I was thinking he could catch a 6 or Q for the str flush---hence the right odds are 1/46 and I still take the quads
Umm Sure, but I would want a caller with JJ four handed. In the long run, I would rather have a caller at 400 and have a chance at everything infront of the other player, then raise 800 maybe win 360, but be very afraid of a caller and the chance I dont hit my set.
If I was reraised all in, well then I'd probably throw them away unless I had a hint it was a play.
Given the thinking above, and Im chip leader, I would be more apt to be calling your all in on the flop then calling your all in on the turn. Not knowing any history, JT is a very realistic hand for a full on the turn or a lower set for another full.
The only hand your ahead on the flop with is KQd. It would really depend if I thought you had KQd.
It will burn for a while, but then you will pull the same flop, on the otherside and pull this memory out of your head. Helps you see where you are now if you have already been there before.
I think this is what killed you...
stp
Ok, what will kill you? or do you read is this a tell?
I never thought straight flush, I thought straight, I did this because the guy's I play with are convinced that when I have a good hand and am challenged, I light up. Which is propablly true, so I tried to scare him off. Didn't work.
I dont think it was stupid at all...
I think you made the right play. Preflop, you were probably going to get called anything less then all in (or maybe half your stack) by the Big stack.
I would have played it exactly like you.
I honestly think HE made the mistake drawing to the str flush. BUT that being said, there has to be a reason that he made that play. I was just trying to give you insight from the other side of the table as if I had the 78s and a big stack.
And reading over this I also didnt realize he made the str on the flop thought he was openended for the str, and str flush. I dont think there is ANYTHING you could have done differently that would have changed the outcome of the hand.
He thought you had a set or top pair then a set (He put you on AJ or a complete bluff- I cant see how he calls this any other way, he is beaten with higher str, full house, higher flush draw). The fact he made the str just made him call the 1k on the flop instead of thinking about it, he laso had the flush draw which I think he would have thought would have been the nut.
The hand I would have feared here is the full either set of tens with the paired jacks or the jacks full of 10's. Which makes any play he did a bad play (str with a flush draw).
There just happened to be one card in the deck that could help him and if he was drawing to that one single card thinking that was the only thing that would make him good, then don't worry you will win ALOT more then you lose here.
Your right, he was gunnin for me all night, that was the first REAL bad beat hand that I've expierenced, I guess I'm just analizing it too much. But thanks for the perspective, it does make me feel a little more confident. That hand really hit me hard, I spent all night tryin to think about what could've been. My wife plays alot too, she says that's my biggest problem in a game, if I take a bad hit, I spend the rest of the night trying to analize instead of trying to play.
good play, that's poker.
T