Is My Thinking Right?
Hey Everyone,
So another hand at Woodine...this time I'm in the big blind with A Ao with $257 in my stack...I've got a fairly tight image but have also showed that I widen my range in late position depending on number of players in the hand thus far, who the players are, stack sizes, etc.
The table's fairly loose with a guy on my immediate left who loves to blind steal (1/2nl btw) with relatively large pre-flop raises (typically bumps it up to about $25 or so).
Now to the hand itself...UTG raises to $30 (remember, this is the loose guy who's previously shown that he's willing to raise pretty much with ATC). A tight, elderly gentleman two seats over calls and the action folds around to me.
Here's what I'm thinking...since the preflop raiser is UTG, he's either trying to put pressure on the table, which he perceives to be playing relatively tight, or he's actually got a hand this time and is playing on his own loose image to get some action.
The call from UTG+2 (as opposed to a re-raise) seems to indicate that the man wants to see a flop to re-evaluate the situation before committing any more chips to the pot. Oh and btw, UTG had ~$300 while UTG+2 had ~$250 (about the same as me).
Since I had two Aces, I didn't think that UTG+2 had a hand like Kings since I think he definitely would've re-raised or even shoved with those...so I'm thinking he probably had something like JJ-QQ or possibly A-K.
I decided to min-raise to $60 because I wanted to test UTG but not scare off UTG+2...UTG folds (and subsequently tells me to enjoy his $30) while UTG+2 calls my min-raise.
The flop comes 2 8 K rainbow...now, since I don't put UTG+2 on Kings pre-flop, he can't have a set. Also, pocket 2's or 8's aren't in his pre-flop calling range so my Aces are still good (I think so at least).
The pot now has $150 and both of us have roughly $190 left behind, so 1 pot-size bet left. Taking a look at the guy while the flop came down, he seemed to get a bit excited so now I'm really thinking he's got at least a King and I shove...he snap called and turns out that he did actually have A-K!
The turn and river bricked out and I won that pot.
My question for you guys is that I want to make sure that my reasoning and thought process during the hand was correct. Should I not have shoved and put in a bet on the flop instead in case the guy would've folded pocket JJ's or QQ's (thereby me losing possible value on the hand)?
Sorry for the long post but I'd really appreciate any comments or corrections that you could suggest.
Thanks in advance!
So another hand at Woodine...this time I'm in the big blind with A Ao with $257 in my stack...I've got a fairly tight image but have also showed that I widen my range in late position depending on number of players in the hand thus far, who the players are, stack sizes, etc.
The table's fairly loose with a guy on my immediate left who loves to blind steal (1/2nl btw) with relatively large pre-flop raises (typically bumps it up to about $25 or so).
Now to the hand itself...UTG raises to $30 (remember, this is the loose guy who's previously shown that he's willing to raise pretty much with ATC). A tight, elderly gentleman two seats over calls and the action folds around to me.
Here's what I'm thinking...since the preflop raiser is UTG, he's either trying to put pressure on the table, which he perceives to be playing relatively tight, or he's actually got a hand this time and is playing on his own loose image to get some action.
The call from UTG+2 (as opposed to a re-raise) seems to indicate that the man wants to see a flop to re-evaluate the situation before committing any more chips to the pot. Oh and btw, UTG had ~$300 while UTG+2 had ~$250 (about the same as me).
Since I had two Aces, I didn't think that UTG+2 had a hand like Kings since I think he definitely would've re-raised or even shoved with those...so I'm thinking he probably had something like JJ-QQ or possibly A-K.
I decided to min-raise to $60 because I wanted to test UTG but not scare off UTG+2...UTG folds (and subsequently tells me to enjoy his $30) while UTG+2 calls my min-raise.
The flop comes 2 8 K rainbow...now, since I don't put UTG+2 on Kings pre-flop, he can't have a set. Also, pocket 2's or 8's aren't in his pre-flop calling range so my Aces are still good (I think so at least).
The pot now has $150 and both of us have roughly $190 left behind, so 1 pot-size bet left. Taking a look at the guy while the flop came down, he seemed to get a bit excited so now I'm really thinking he's got at least a King and I shove...he snap called and turns out that he did actually have A-K!
The turn and river bricked out and I won that pot.
My question for you guys is that I want to make sure that my reasoning and thought process during the hand was correct. Should I not have shoved and put in a bet on the flop instead in case the guy would've folded pocket JJ's or QQ's (thereby me losing possible value on the hand)?
Sorry for the long post but I'd really appreciate any comments or corrections that you could suggest.
Thanks in advance!
Comments
BTW stop playing offsuited aces and min raise would be $58
Again, don't give results if you want honest, untainted answers.
and this is just a cooler for the AK guy... Pretty standard at 1/2..
People at Woodbine 1/2 certainly flat pre opens wider than this, probably more like 66/77+, AK, KQss, maybe even a strong suited hand like 8/9ss, etc.
having said that, you are never foldiing Aces on that board. If they flopped a set, they get your money.
Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk 4 Beta
Nah
Really appreciate the feedback, but just a question about this though...I'm surely showing how much of an amateur I am but could you please explain how the min-raise would be $58 instead of $60.
It's probably a simple thing that I'm just not seeing right now, thanks.
The first raise went to $30 total - a raise of $28 ($2 blind + $28 raise). A minimum re-raise then would be an additional $28, so $58 vs the $60 you put in. It's nit-picking mostly.
Mark
First raise was to $30. or $28. more that the $2. blind, next raise must double first raise at minimum, so $30. plus $28. = $58.... I now that's nit picking but ya gotta know Moose...;)
Eg in this case you raise to $60, you could be properly 4 bet to $90 by UTG but many morons will think you have to go $120. All of a sudden the dealer screws you by forcing the 4 bet to $120. This is pretty basic but where dealers frequently make the error is when someone 4 bets allin for $100 say, and then the dealer rules that it isn't a full raise and doesn't reopen the betting.
Sometimes a real min raise is fun to do just to start arguments and get the table tilting.
Careful, this is casino dependent.
Although what youve posted above is the TDA and most commonly used ruling, Seneca recently changed to the double rule - and the floor there told me many casinos are moving this direction in lieu of properly training their dealers.
that's all I'm saying.
Seriously though, I have nothing strategic to add