Does he deserve a punch in the junk?
I was playing pool this weekend in the Western Canadian VNEA tourney that was going on at the RiverCree Casino here in Edmonton.
On Sunday, got crushed playing pool....so decided to enter a $60 freezeout they had going on in the poker room, 50 runners.
About 2 hours in, I get into this hand.....I raised in MP (my PFR was about 40% to this point) with AhKh (35k back)....and get called by the BB (10k back), who then caps his cards with a T100 chip.
Flop comes down a decent AcTh2h...at which point the BB slides out what looked like the remainder of his chips, and the dealer announces 'all-in'. I, of course, happily shove a stack in to cover and flip over my hand.
At the point of the BB seeing my hand, he tells the dealer my hand is dead because I showed my hand before he was all in, as he points to the T100 chip capping his cards (this casino apparently has a strict rule against tabling cards before players are all in). The dealer then tells the BB that he had announced all-in, so my hand will not be dead. The douchebag does not stop in his insistence, and asks for the house to rule......which they did in my favor.
At which point he flips over his crushed Jh8h....bricks out, and chirps me on his way out. I didn't take that to nicely, and proceeded to berate him for being an angle shooting scumbag mother****er....he actually asks me to go outside, but as I was jumping up to accept his offer, he quickly exited the area.
In all my years playing this game, this is by far the worst example of a deliberate angleshoot I have experienced personally.
Oh, and I obv shipped tourney
On Sunday, got crushed playing pool....so decided to enter a $60 freezeout they had going on in the poker room, 50 runners.
About 2 hours in, I get into this hand.....I raised in MP (my PFR was about 40% to this point) with AhKh (35k back)....and get called by the BB (10k back), who then caps his cards with a T100 chip.
Flop comes down a decent AcTh2h...at which point the BB slides out what looked like the remainder of his chips, and the dealer announces 'all-in'. I, of course, happily shove a stack in to cover and flip over my hand.
At the point of the BB seeing my hand, he tells the dealer my hand is dead because I showed my hand before he was all in, as he points to the T100 chip capping his cards (this casino apparently has a strict rule against tabling cards before players are all in). The dealer then tells the BB that he had announced all-in, so my hand will not be dead. The douchebag does not stop in his insistence, and asks for the house to rule......which they did in my favor.
At which point he flips over his crushed Jh8h....bricks out, and chirps me on his way out. I didn't take that to nicely, and proceeded to berate him for being an angle shooting scumbag mother****er....he actually asks me to go outside, but as I was jumping up to accept his offer, he quickly exited the area.
In all my years playing this game, this is by far the worst example of a deliberate angleshoot I have experienced personally.
Oh, and I obv shipped tourney
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However if this had happened to me he would have bricked the flop and turn and hit an 8 on the river... Nice to see justice done in your case...
Also nice that you didn't get a chat ban..;)
Had something similar in BCC yesterday with JohnnieH and JackNok basically:
Asian dude is first to act on a flop of 789 (2 hearts) and bets. Being BCC he he get's 3-4 callers. On the turn, he hmmms and hahs a bit, and (with chips in his hand) moves slightly forward, but announces check. 2-3 people still in the hand check as well, but the dealer ceases the action and announces that the fella's movement, after betting on the flop, is considered a forward motion and indicates a bet. The table seems somewhat confused, but the dealer says this is how it is, so the man is forced to put in a bet - again gets a couple callers. The dealer informs the man he has been notified, and will the same decision will be made for further similar actions.
The river brings a third heart, but an unpaired board, and the man does the EXACT same motion and says check. The dealer informs him that he had been warned, and told that this constituted a bet, and he was obligated to put in $5. One guy calls, and before the cards are exposed I say to the table "If he has a monster hand, he's angle-shooting". He flips over TJ for the flopped straight, which holds up. I look at the dealer and say "That's an angle shoot" and then to the man "You're a cheater and should not be allowed to play".
The guy puts on his best confused face and says "I don't see how that's cheating". "Cheaters never do, but you were given instruction by the dealer, and deliberately did the same thing to make it look like you were being forced to bet, you exploited this situation and ruling, and it's cheating."
Mark
I don't know about this
I think angle-shooters need to be called out on their BS. And I hardly think calling someone out (with potentially liberally applied swearing) is hardly equivalent to trying to underhandedly cheat someone out of a tournament (and therefore money).
Mark
Hardly.... Did you read what T8 wrote? Now admittedly we didn't hear the other side, but if T8's version is even close to the truth that guy deserved what he got and much more... This is Canada, home of the wild west..
and this was T8, creator of the chat ban.
Please advise the best way to handle this? Maybe I should buy him a drink, and say tough luck?
I tend to think that it is my responsibility to let a piece of shit know that he stinks.
I'm glad they ruled in your favor. One can only hope that this teaches him a lesson however unlikely.
You gain nothing by lowering yourself to his level, you just lose respect. If he's a problem let the tournament director deal with him. Also, on a sidenote, its impossible for angle shooters to actually cheat unless the TD allows cheating
Correct, he did not say all-in, but the dealer did announce him all-in clearly, and he did not correct the dealer at the time.
Exactly whose respect would I lose? Of the 9 players left at the table, there were 9 that were just as discusted as me. I would have lost respect for myself if I didn't say anything.
It's OK to fight your own battles sometimes.
What is the percentage on good TD's? It's very low here, so I'm never certain on a ruling until it has been made.
If you dont trust the TD Im not sure you should play the tournament, villain always have the right to get a ruling in any situation, ethical or not. If we played on stars and I saw this happen I would call a mod and hope for another chatban
Compuease = Dad
I think we just found Mom
T8's opponent is not All In as he did not state all in, dealer did, which means dealer error.
If T8 put out enough chips to cover the extra 100 chip, then the rulings as follows.
T8's hand is not dead but plays face up and his opponent has the choice to call with his 100 chip or fold. T8 would then receive a warning and a 1 round penalty.
Similar situation happened to me at the Venetian Deepstacks last summer, my hand played face up and I received a 1 round penalty, I also won the pot.
With that being said T8's opponent is scum.
The above ruling is TDA Rules, now different casinos may have different rules but most go by The TDA or at least they should.
Villain is still a scum for his obvious attempt at trying to kill T8's hand on a technicality and being an overall douche.
seems odd to assess a penalty when this was in fact a dealer error
if the dealer did not announce all-in, this is the ruling I would expect
Pacifist! technically the correct ruling tho... lol at T8s comment re Nazi Germany... Now is T8 a racist?
comp < ducks for ensuing sh**storm...