NL200 - Value Extraction
Hey guys, so I found myself in an interesting spot the other night and am curious what other people do here.
1/2, Yellowhead Casino, 3-4 regs on the table, and 2 known fish.
I am OTB with roughly $1100, it's still at 2 and comes around to me with 77; I go up to 5, and get 6 callers. Both fish, and two of the regs.
Pot $30: Flop - 5h 7c 8c
Check check bet $20 folded to me, I reraise to $50, folded, MP (roughly $600 behind) calls. MP is a solid reg, plays pretty standard, known to fish draws if getting "the right odds" (though I don't think she really understands what that means.)
Pot: $130 (heads up): Turn: 7d (5h 7c 8c 7d)
She checks, I bet $75. She tanks for maybe 30-45 seconds and calls.
Pot: $280 (heads up): River: 3c (5h 7c 8c 7d)
She checks, I bet $200. She folds.
Is my bet too big here? Should I be betting smaller?
Relevant: I put her on the flush draw after her hesitant call on the turn, and the flush got there on the river.
1/2, Yellowhead Casino, 3-4 regs on the table, and 2 known fish.
I am OTB with roughly $1100, it's still at 2 and comes around to me with 77; I go up to 5, and get 6 callers. Both fish, and two of the regs.
Pot $30: Flop - 5h 7c 8c
Check check bet $20 folded to me, I reraise to $50, folded, MP (roughly $600 behind) calls. MP is a solid reg, plays pretty standard, known to fish draws if getting "the right odds" (though I don't think she really understands what that means.)
Pot: $130 (heads up): Turn: 7d (5h 7c 8c 7d)
She checks, I bet $75. She tanks for maybe 30-45 seconds and calls.
Pot: $280 (heads up): River: 3c (5h 7c 8c 7d)
She checks, I bet $200. She folds.
Is my bet too big here? Should I be betting smaller?
Relevant: I put her on the flush draw after her hesitant call on the turn, and the flush got there on the river.
Comments
Problem is kinda that a big bet will make you rep the flush to villain so they may fold out a lot of hands so it's kinda the equation of the value you lose when villain has a flush and you don't bet big vs the times that the villain doesn't have a flush and you bet big and get a fold
River, I either bet $130ish or shove depending on my opponent, my table image, and the range of hands I have her on.
Love those super soft YHead games. The regs there are horrid.
I'm raising to 5 because I want callers, going to 15 (which I had done in previous hands) was getting 0 action, and 12 was getting 1-2 callers. The table was playing unreasonably tight preflop, which is uncharacteristic of YHead, but there were three women at the table (not to stereotype, but in my experience, specifically at YHead, the women tend to play a lot more tight) and two big stacks that seemed like they were trying to protect their stack too much.
For example: I have 5-5 and limp UTG, 8 callers, flop is K-9-5, chances are good that someone hit that flop with a King and I can get three streets of value.
Yes, but if you minraise in LP and you get reraised large by an EP player scared of playing AA or KK post-flop then you are only gaining very minor value when you hit a set but are risking not being able to play the hand at all.
Limping with small pairs in EP is fine, I still raise if deep enough. I rarely open limp in any deep game. If you are scaling your bet sizes in relation to hand strength you will get exploited by good players...fortunately, there aren't many around.
Flop, I am raising bigger..to like $70ish here.
Turn, AP fine
River, how much does she have behind? Your post says you have $1,100 so am I to assume that she covers? I would probaly bet slightly less but I dont think your bet size is a big mistake or anything,
Your ability to answer the question is retarded. No one asked you to critique his play pre flop.
His play got him in a great position. Why not just say well played.
Easy to say after the fact, but I think I bet a little less on river 125.
Because it wasn't well played. When you raise, you do so for several reasons, including thinking you're ahead - which is what I assume he was thinking in this scenario. In that case, you want to raise for maximum value (see - title of thread), and by his own admission, 15 was 0 callers, but 12 was 1-2. I'll take 1-2 callers at $12 ($36 pot) vs 6 callers at $5 ($35 pot). And that's not even accounting for the fact that 77 will win against two players a lot more than against 6.
Now that math is dealt with, GTA goes on to explain his reasoning and logic, which is an excellent way to answer a question. Your selective quoting and clear character assassination is a vastly inferior contribution to this thread. Speaking of this thread, it's in the NL /PLH area, which literally states is for the discussion of NL / PL strategy. Which is what GTA did.
Mark
Philli?
Character assassination my ass. F u.
My point is he calls him retarded, talking about part of the hand he did not enquire on. I agree play against 2 players rather then 6 is way better regardless of what pocket pair you have. But there is better ways to express that then name calling. Am I wrong?
Pitts?
Where did he call the poster retarded? He called the raise retarded.. Now I can see the points both ways and really depends on table dynamics..
You call GTA and DrTyore nits? lol, you have to get out more... Now me, perhaps a fair comment, but not most on here...;)
Calling his move retarded equates to calling him retarded IMO.
Did I says nits? Revise to jackasses.
Well this is probably accurate.
Mark
This actually made me grin. And take a deep breathe. I'm good now.
Just pump the break, get settled, find a nemesis, and you'll fit right in.
Mark
'scuse me, decleratic
I do understand his line, but as golfcan said, I want more people in the hand so that on a flop of say K74, I'm getting paid because someone with K4 gets in cheap, rather than raising and getting two people in the hand that have AJ and 56s, and both just completely miss a flop and I don't get paid anything if I do hit a set. That said, I understand the argument of isolation because it's unlikely I hit the set and on a flop like 2810, I can most likely bet and win the pot.
Either way I honestly don't think going to 5 is completely incorrect, however I also think going to 12 was probably more correct.
Well you know what they say about that, if you look around the table and can't identify ........
Hey I'm trying become a better poker
Player no need for in insult I just want
Learn how to indentefy fishes
so I wold like to have a professional poker player on my theorie.
Not to seem rude, although I'm almost certian it will anyway, is English your second language, and if not, am I out of line to ask which age bracket you'd fit into?
Back on topic, care to explain exactly why you'd personally bet $150 on the river in this scenario?
First of all English is not my second language
It's my third language
Second of all I mean he don t lose the 150$
At once, you gradually losses 150$ by losing small pot
A lot of time.
And plus I knew 4 language before I was
10 years old so please cut me some slack.
And only talk the poker talk ok?
How long ago was that? And what 4 languages... English wasn't one of them I gather... Just curious why someone from Montreal wouldn't have better English.. Would French be better for you?