Great article about the current state of Poker
A great article from Donnie Peters of pokernews.com: PokerNews Op-Ed: What Happened To Poker? | PokerNews
A must read if you haven’t read this before ...
Let’s keep this game fun for everyone
A must read if you haven’t read this before ...
Let’s keep this game fun for everyone
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Personally, I blame Black Friday for making the average online players who didn't have the motivation or means to move to Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, etc. have to start playing live. On average, they have zero personality and ruin live games because they are miserable trying to grind out $20-25/h. They are constantly talking strategy and berating the fish at the table when they take a bad beat. You can see them in Vegas, California, etc.
This is where I notice a big difference between Vancouver and Edmonton...Vancouver seems to have the grinders, and tables are typically super boring. The only exception to that I have found is Cascades..in Langley..where the dealers seem to suck all the time..but the games are fun.
Edmonton is complete opposite..dealers are good and fun, players are there to enjoy themselves and have some beverages..tables are rarely quiet and the money flows steady.
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f56/what-constituted-check-29896/
Yes, I was going to say that Edmonton and Calgary have to most enjoyable (and softest) 1/2 and 2/5 games that I have seen to date.
don't be stupid
so you're right in calling people idiots? It may be relevant, but your use of "friend"', "scumbag", "these idiots" and "stupid points of law" makes it really hard for me to take you seriously. You're berating people verbally from the start, then you basically say "I'm right". I'm worried if that's the same level of friendlyness, manners and respect you expect from your poker table
At the table he's one of the more etiquette aware and proper players - can't think of any time he's been responsible for slowing up the game, and rarely makes it unpleasant (that's more me). That said, IIRC the "is this a check" thread I usually err on the side of what the guy intended, but I play very low limits.
Mark
Thread was about how the seriousness of poker players drives away the interest of the casual player. Behaviour exactly like what was posted in What is constituted as a check is exactly what makes people afraid to say anything at a table. Then the games slowly grind to a halt as everyone sits there, morose and silent. No one wants to play in games like that.
Honestly, lighten up.
First part yeah.. I play in a couple clubs and there are quite a few of the 1-2 pros that really do seem to dress the part with the Shades and head gear.. it really is quite funny the holier than thou attitude alot of them have.
When they first started coming out with these 50k and 100k, people thought it insane and exciting, then one drop, but alot of people disliked the field sizes and discredited the titles...regardless it seems to me that maybe indirectly this has made poker seem unrealistic or intimidating to newer rec players. You have to win a million just to be eligable to play inthe big leagues now?
Through discusion, it seems to some of us that these events are to keep the elite in an elite environment and inthe spotlight, since talent alone is not enough anymore. There are a ton of good players. It seems redundant cash wise as much action is sold or swapped so other than the bigger win fix, it isn't making most any richer.
A far cry from the Everyman moneymaker mentality that was supposed to have lead to the "boom".
Players score 6 figures all the time lately and if they miss the trophy, it isn't really even headline material. Look at the three canucks at the PCA final table, last few WPTs, etc.
People don't get excited over the possibility of winning five figures, cause we are teaching them the dream is way bigger and the get "overwhelmed" and just don't try. They don't think there will be any fame in regionals and they are right, so a ton of draw goes away. Really, 10k, 50k or a 100k is a big deal. Some bracelets don't come with the 500k that Roy scored again, a month after his 750k score but kid is getting little love.
I would much rather see the side events at EPTs and PCA etc getting coverage and players getting some spotlight than a handfull in a super Highroller. Think it much better for the game.
Thoughts?
The game will not grow again until the US online market opens again, period. Huge consumer market, lots of ad revenue, etc.
To the casual players who watch the big games on TV, they would probably agree.
I later (2weeks later) spoke to the TD, and tried to explain it as exactly what happened, what he meant that it was a question, and the only word he said was "Check". The TD said that if he was asked to rule on it, he would of had to rule that it was a check.
Having fun is a big part of the game, but poker has become so mainstream that the people who are in it purely or almost entirely just to make money don't care how fun it is. I think this is why I stray away from casinos. I can make money there, but I don't enjoy it as much as my local low stakes poker league where we play for quarters.
lol